Who's Your Money On? [Archive]

squinter

10-04-2008, 10:19 PM

Imo a few good clans moving up to prem div, with enclave resting from clandle for a season the game is wide open, even seren are'nt safe , Ci5 have recruited some very good players which will keep us in contension i hope, league leaders will prolly be mafia , seren, aQ or 47th , we prefer to be underdogs in every match but i think we'll do pretty good this season :P

mRdz

10-05-2008, 01:16 AM

My money goes:

Promod: TCO
Prem: maf1a. :P
Div 1: Sum69 or eg
Div 2: Prolo$ or hR

Steve

10-05-2008, 09:51 AM

How come eG haven't been promoted to the Premiership?

England4eva

10-05-2008, 10:07 AM

Hi Steve,

eG finished 4th last season.

Currently the way it works the top 2 teams go up and the bottom 2 teams go down.

Due to clans leaving and joining then its sometimes possible that only 1 clan will go down or 3 up, 3 down etc, it all depends on the number of clans playing that season.

As a number of clans dropped out or went on a break this season then the number of teams moving up and down altered this time.

Either way in "usual" movement eG wouldnt of qualified to move either up or down due to finishing in 4th position.

Steve

10-05-2008, 11:30 AM

From what I can tell there are at least 4 new teasm in the prem this season.

How come mafia have jumped a division?

Surely that spot belongs to eG.

Putting mafia in the Premiership allowing them tyo bypass a season makes a mockery of the whole system

Foxeh'

10-05-2008, 03:25 PM

But after looking mguk who came 3rd rnt in clandle or they gone inactive??
so surely thats puts us 2 3rd (let alone not being told season was ending with 2 games still to play but nevermind)

And how come mafia jumped from 3rd to prem??

everyone else had to go up through leagues i aQ went 3-2-now prem??

just doesnt make sense?!

casshern

10-05-2008, 03:29 PM

Hi,
steve let me know about this on our forums having not really checked it.
Not thinking there would be a need to check it as its not the system and you just take it that its all being ran fair.
I dont know about us going up with a game still to play wicth we both us and aQ tryed to play. But a team jumping leagues? when everyone esle has to go thru the system and rightly so.
Now this no away ago at mafia. But at the system, it doesnt matter on the team thats jumped its the fact one has.
Again back to us tho if its the top 3 that go up with one clan pulling out that puts us 3rd and takes TWD down (from what im told,without looking)
Now i know TWD has admins for clandle in there team and i think fingers are being pointed, Now im just posting on the info i was given. Please feel free to set correct if wrong.

I hope this gets sorted ASAP with the right teams in the right ladders

England4eva

10-05-2008, 04:15 PM

Hi,

3 teams don`t go up or down. The system is 2.

As happend last season not every division was made up of "real" teams, this in turn made the bottom two Premiership teams as DowUK and an admin team, this wouldnt send TWD down and this has nothing to do with them having an admin, i`d suggest you leave those thoughts with yourself.

eG clan finished 4th, MGUK finished 3rd and have dropped out. This doesnt make eG clan finish 3rd and either way MGUK wouldnt have gone up because they didnt finish in the top two.

Playing the full amount of games each season is the responsibility of each clan and although a "final few weeks" annoucement was missed the length of the league is clearly stated at the outset this takes the form of the normal amount of weeks plus 2 catch up weeks at the end.

The maf1a issue is a seperate issue all together. Due to Enclave taking a break this season a space became available. It was deemed due to maf1as previous record at Clandle and known record then it would serve the lower divisions better if a team of this calibre be fast tracked to fill that space.

If maf1a didnt take that space then no other clan would of and the space would of been filled with an admin team. If another clan of such calibre comes about in the future and a space becomes available then i`m sure it would be discussed again, if no space was available then obviously not.

Overall it serves the premiership division better due to the fact that all teams now have a full set of games and not a missed week. It also serves the lower divisions better due to the fact they will play more similar skilled clans (minus the obvious newer clans who could be any skill).

Steve

10-05-2008, 05:25 PM

We bow the the Presence that is Mafia.

I'm not sure we'll bother playing you guys next season. Seems your already marked as prem champions.

Too good for all us lowly noobs.

England4eva

10-05-2008, 06:02 PM

Hi,

Steve, i hardly see why this is an issue for aQ. You have a full set of games this season, surely this is better than having a week with no clan to play?

Also i`m sure as you`ve made your way this far you`ll appreciate playing clans that challenge you than are a walk over for you?

casshern

10-05-2008, 06:07 PM

i did say if you read it was what i was being told and didnt care either way about us up or staying but the whole one clan jumping up like that when everyone esle has had to play thru the ranks is rubbish.

The next highest team should of been given the place not somone so much lower down.
Again nothing against mafia is i know them well and have done for many years but if thats the way the admins want to admin there leagues then i think we give clandle a miss. Best of luck to everyone esle and no hard feelings to mafia and im sure andy will understand that.

Its a problem "i think" for him as he like EVERYONE esle has played from the bottem and worked there way up and one team be it mafia or anyone esle get to bypass it and go right into the prem without doing the ground work that we all did. Its the point of it.

Steve

10-05-2008, 06:22 PM

Its a problem "i think" for him as he like EVERYONE esle has played from the bottem and worked there way up and one team be it mafia or anyone esle get to bypass it and go right into the prem without doing the ground work that we all did. Its the point of it.

At the end of the day W/E its your league.

casshern

10-05-2008, 07:11 PM

does that mean i got it right then steve?
let me know if i didnt lol

England4eva

10-05-2008, 07:21 PM

The next highest team should of been given the place not somone so much lower down.

Ah, so MGUK then.. but they have dropped out. Even so, it wasnt a position that was just there, it was open because a team dropped out.

I really don`t know what anyone is complaining about, a team like maf1a will probably knock my own clan down a division as its one better team than us. I`m big enough now to openly admit when we stand little chance in beating a team and personally would rather play in a division with clans of similar quality to our own be that good or bad.

To put it simply, MGUK wouldnt of gone up due to them being 3rd and not 2nd or 1st. eG finished 4th regardless of how many games they didn't manage to play. A position has not been taken away from any division 1 clan because the position wasn't there to be taken.

maf1a were moved up due to enclave dropping out, the point is this makes it fairer for those in the lower divisions. Not that it makes it fairer for maf1a.

Don`t forget 4 clans in the premier division have admins in them, we all have to play maf1a ourselves so its not as if its in our best interest to have them along side us.

Steve

10-05-2008, 07:31 PM

Ah, so MGUK then.. but they have dropped out. Even so, it wasnt a position that was just there, it was open because a team dropped out.

I really don`t know what anyone is complaining about, a team like maf1a will probably knock my own clan down a division as its one better team than us. I`m big enough now to openly admit when we stand little chance in beating a team and personally would rather play in a division with clans of similar quality to our own be that good or bad.

To put it simply, MGUK wouldnt of gone up due to them being 3rd and not 2nd or 1st. eG finished 4th regardless of how many games they didn't manage to play. A position has not been taken away from any division 1 clan because the position wasn't there to be taken.

maf1a were moved up due to enclave dropping out, the point is this makes it fairer for those in the lower divisions. Not that it makes it fairer for maf1a.

Don`t forget 4 clans in the premier division have admins in them, we all have to play maf1a ourselves so its not as if its in our best interest to have them along side us.

Your missing the point entirely.

I am also man enuff to admit Mafia will almost definately cain us They did in the one PCW we played so dus that mean I shoud just award them x2 defaults? Why don't you just declaire them season winners ad save the hassel of arranging matches?

Wrong team.

England4eva

10-05-2008, 07:41 PM

Hi,

I really don't see what your issue is Steve, it doesn't effect your clan in the slightest. No one is taking away your past achievements at Clandle, infact maf1a will have to prove themselves more so than any other clan because they were awarded a bye to this division.

To prove that they deserve to be here then the weight is on their shoulders more than the rest of us.

I didn't say they were the best team in the division, but their history is enough to show they would be more suited in it.

If you have a real reason why this effects aQ clan or you personally Steve then I am all ears, until then I have nothing further to say on the matter as I can't see a valid point from your own or your clans perspective. The only difference this makes to yourselves is you will have to play maf1a.. welcome to the premiership.

casshern

10-05-2008, 08:33 PM

lol steve i read his last post and was gonna post the same thing
"Your missing the point entirely."

got nothing to do with team-eG up down staying or anything like that

its all about the fact one team went up to the top group from the bottem
when everyone esel has had to work for where they are

nothing to do with mafia
nothing to do with team-eG
nothing to do with teams with admins in them

everything to do with the fact the system is a waste of time and a joke to ALL the others clan that have played here for 2/3 seasons to get where they are in there leagues and one team be it mafia or anyone esle just by passed it all

England4eva

10-05-2008, 09:18 PM

Hi,

Casshern re-read "No one is taking away your past achievements at Clandle" - From a personal point of view you should be more worried about what you or your clan are achieving than what others are or aren't - I could care less about who passes what and wins or loses what, I only care about how well or poorly my own clan does.

Billie

10-05-2008, 09:52 PM

MacK

10-05-2008, 10:14 PM

Why don't you just declaire them season winners ad save the hassel of arranging matches?

because were gona sit em down k steve? :D

casshern

10-05-2008, 11:43 PM

yeah i know it dont take away or past whateva
again its got nothing to do with us

but the fact everyone has played here for seasons and one team just gets to bypass the system and go right to the top

its unfair on everyteam thats played hard to get where they are and im really really tired now of saying the same thing over and over and you not getting it

sogs

10-06-2008, 01:00 AM

Just an observation, but i do get the impression some admins are a bit rude in there replies to participating clans in this 'community' cod league. (this was never the case when i was happy to accept an admin spot here)
Is there any reason to this defensive approach? or is it not 'done' to try and be polite anymore.
I thought the admins where there to help and guide the community, not just shoot down any grievance a member may have.

now im sure ill get the, "your not even in this league so what do you care...." line here but like i said at the beggining its just an observation, i may be wrong (it has been known on occasion)

Steve

10-06-2008, 06:18 AM

There is a reason that mafia were given the prem space as oppose to it being filled by an admin clan.

maf1a won the cup and the admins decided that to honour this achievement that they would be given the spare slot in the premiership.

I am sorry if this upsets anyone but let me assure that had we not made the decision to honour maf1a win in the cup that an admin clan would have filled the space. They have not taken the slot from anyone else and we hope that in future we will be able to honour all cup winners in this way.

Since when did Accrington Stanley winning the FACUP get them promoted to the FA Carling Premiership?

Your drawing a liine in the sand, Doesn't matter how much one clan plays in the league any Clan of errmmm High Calibre (I got it right didn't I?) can come along and take a free spot in the Premiership which some teams have been busting there butts fighting over for seasons.

It doesn't take away their achievements just makes them all pointless.

England4eva

10-06-2008, 07:39 AM

Hi,

@Sogs..

Obviously you mean myself due to the fact the most replies have come from myself ;) - I`ve hardly been rude, a decision was made and has been actioned, this action isn't really going to be changed by a few members constantly posting their reasons why they disagree with it.

You are never going to please every member and every clan, I have tried to explain why it was done and how it could benefit the league but obviously this is "rude" or not "polite" - I guess I could not reply or lock the thread as you would find most would have done by now - instead I have tried to reason with people and explain why this or that was done.

Basically what you`re saying is any clan that has a grievance whether it be right or wrong deserves every response to go in their favour.

By me spending time replying to each query this in turn is my "help", unfortunately I can't always give everyone the answers they want and if this makes me "rude" or not "polite" then so be it.

sogs

10-06-2008, 09:18 AM

As you may be realising written text in a forum can be taken, by the reader, in many ways, as you yourself have done here,

"Basically what you`re saying is any clan that has a grievance whether it be right or wrong deserves every response to go in their favour."

What i was infact saying is that every clan should be ALLOWED to have a grievance, this is after all a community forum, i dont think you should take things as a personal attack on yourself evertime someone posts a problem or moan. just sit back a while let it run its course and carefully think of a mild mannered and diplomatic response.
Constant bickering posts never have been and never will be productive.
Please dont take this as an attack m8, like i mentioned previously its just a personal observation of the overall forums.

BTW i think steves point of clans trying hard to achieve a premiership spot then being slapped in the face by an obvious 'High Calibre' clan jumping the leagues is very valid, and maybe the admins should look further into it.

#TcO.Squeezer

10-06-2008, 09:41 AM

First of all: Is this entire thread not going a bit offtopic? I mean it was a simple funny *who is your money on* thread instead of a this clan there? that clan there discussion.

Did not want to interfer but it is frustrating for the clans that had a little fun at the start of season by doing some stupid bets and some joking around to see there thread turning into a why this why that fight. Could have made another topic somewhere around: *Talk to admins* for example.

Secondly:

I understand your points also about clans going up the normal way. And if Enclave and MGUK etc. would have stayed this prolly would never had happened. But the admin team tried to keep all ladders equivalent for amount of clans and skill in evry league and with all the drop outs they simply had not have enough people for *the premiership*. So if the admin team did not interfer it would have been like 3 or 4 admin teams in the premiership what aint fun for nobody to have to def the entire time.

So what did the admin team do then?

1. They made up ladders where in there are enough teams to play for evryone

2. They made the HC CUP winner promote on basis of their CUP WIN.

So in general

like always

the ladder system worked

First two got promotion, last two got relegated and lets say you should view the cup winner as the wild card for premiership.

Like you have in football the cup winner in Belgium gets to play Champions league to.

Friendly regards

Squeezer (who does not interfer in HC ladders normally :p)

And hoping to see it go about predictions again.

Pro Mod dF. aka destination Finale (it is french!!! :p) aka #TcO. who has taken an fresh Pro Mod start ^^

Premier: Serenity

1 st: GGX

2 nd : =M@W=

Custom : BvA

International : Team Belgium ? ^^

England4eva

10-06-2008, 10:10 AM

Hi,

i dont think you should take things as a personal attack on yourself evertime someone posts a problem or moan. just sit back a while let it run its course and carefully think of a mild mannered and diplomatic response.

I don`t recall a time I did take any of this as a personal attack, I give my response based on the facts of the situation. I`m spending my time explaining the reasons why this happend, if people don`t agree with this then I really can`t help it, but the situation is as it is and if my explination isn`t what people want to hear then we end up with this back and forth kind of posting.

I fail to see a point where my replies weren`t diplomatic or mild mannered.

BTW i think steves point of clans trying hard to achieve a premiership spot then being slapped in the face by an obvious 'High Calibre' clan jumping the leagues is very valid, and maybe the admins should look further into it.

From my own point of view I fail to see how this is a slap in the face. The clans who have indeed worked very hard to get to the premiership have done well and deserve to be where they are, this is a personal achievement for the individual clan and they should be proud of that fact.

My point remains the same that the position that maf1a took was not open or available to anyone else, none of the other clans who remain have done enough to "achieve a premiership spot" - As you know MGUK would of originally taken this spot but as you dropped out then the position was re-thought.

sogs

10-06-2008, 10:29 AM

Thanks Squeezer for your measured explanation of why this has happened.
And sorry for the post hijack.

predictions:

Pro Mod iNFINITE

Premier: maf1a

1 st: BATT

2 nd : -=We CiP U=-

Custom : BvA

International : Team Netherlands

casshern

10-06-2008, 10:41 AM

My point remains the same that the position that maf1a took was not open or available to anyone else, none of the other clans who remain have done enough to "achieve a premiership spot" - As you know MGUK would of originally taken this spot but as you dropped out then the position was re-thought.

NOT DONE ENOUGH????
so playing season after season accounts for nothing then
your system of leagues accounts for nothing

they play one season win the cup and get into the prem above all the teams that play season after season to get there place.

What happens next time a clan wins a cup if they not in the prem the first thing they gonna say is " we want to be put in the prem,well mafia did so why not us"

and as steve said accy stan winning the fa cup wouldnt EVER but them in the prem they would great great press for it and then carry on fighting up the leagues just like everyone esle

and again the next clan below should of got the place or a dumby admin team placed there cos as it stands it makes a mock of the league system

again to point out this is in noway a dig at mafia they just happen to be the team that was moved. they are a great team and god bunch of lads. Id love to hear what they think on the matter tho. Would they themselfs agree they should fight on thru the leagues like everyone esle.