Spartan

[Spartan]

Tbh, who checks? Why should a clan check the OTHER members shizzle....yes, sort your own clans out...but shouldn't have to get the others info to check it over...people want to play a war....end of story...not go in server...get everyone in...ready? No, we want ss of all your GUIDs to make sure they are fine, NO-ONE DOES IT...crappy rule for both MOHAA and COD4..

[rejekz admin]

Tbh, who checks? Why should a clan check the OTHER members shizzle....yes, sort your own clans out...but shouldn't have to get the others info to check it over...people want to play a war....end of story...not go in server...get everyone in...ready? No, we want ss of all your GUIDs to make sure they are fine, NO-ONE DOES IT...crappy rule for both MOHAA and COD4..

why does this sound a better idea ? ... leave it up to the cls to make sure that there members are clean and ready for war ...
get on and play the game , check them after and if they are wrong give a default win ... saves time and hassel , and puts all the checking and blame with each cl ??

[#TcO.Squeezer]

Tbh, who checks? Why should a clan check the OTHER members shizzle....yes, sort your own clans out...but shouldn't have to get the others info to check it over...people want to play a war....end of story...not go in server...get everyone in...ready? No, we want ss of all your GUIDs to make sure they are fine, NO-ONE DOES IT...crappy rule for both MOHAA and COD4..


Tbh call us lame or not but we check before EVRY WAR!


The rule has been made to keep this community clean *No freelancers and banned pb_guids* and if evryone would check before a match you are certain that you can rup a match and play and lose or win in honor!

If you want to go to a freelancer community no prob for me tbh.

Have no clue btw what Mohaa scene does *i remember in the past they checked dmw id s etc. also before a match started tbh but hey only my memories perhaps*

As far as i know you would be shocked how many clans try to get some freelancers in wars just to win or have enough people.

Idd. evryone wants a war in the end but wasnt clandle about sportivity/Friendliness/Keep it clean etc. ?

Well if you dont check you get Clownbase the Clanhopping Freelancers Community part 2 tbh.

So your statement that nobody does it is a bit incorrect tbh.

EA does it also
EnB does it also
Serenity does it also

Just a few clans where i know for sure that they do check before RUP

[Studek]

I check clan roster a few days before hand...

I'll go through roster, take an SS and then check when they are on server... only takes a few mins (if that) Using modern rcon (or another program) can quickly check guids with everyone in server.

If they're wrong I will ask them to leave

[Spartan]

3 isn't really a few ;c But my point wasn't who and who doesn't do it...
Why should a clan be punished for the other clans wrong doing?

"you would be shocked how many clans try to get some freelancers in wars just to win or have enough people."

Well considering the rules, and that barely anyone checks...why not use freelancers? They'll get told before the war by you 3 clans, and no punishment, after the war, result stands and the other team gets punished...I can't imagine why people still think it's ok to use freelancers :(

Maybe, just maybe, if the CL of the team had to check everything was correct, and if it isn't during the war...a default or the offer to re-arrange, then perhaps the rules would be followed more...because atm, it's easier to freelance than any other league because you have nothing to lose right?

E-PETITION!!

[Spartan]

Studek, it's doesn't really matter that you do, it doesn't make it any less of a stupid rule...

[#TcO.Squeezer]

Spartan


Like in any league the rule states that it is the CL s responsibility to check the guids and players before start of match if there is someone incorrect ask them to leave.

If they check and agree with the players then they agree with evrything.

So in general the rule is not stupid tbh. If they want to take the change of playing with not eligable players then it is their own fault tbh.

Btw this rule = valid on evry league so dont see your point that their would be more or less freelances on this league then on any other.

Well considering the rules, and that barely anyone checks...why not use freelancers? They'll get told before the war by you 3 clans, and no punishment, after the war, result stands and the other team gets punished...I can't imagine why people still think it's ok to use freelancers :(


So in general FsU told the oppposites (Yes they checked) that We CiP had incorrect players they agreed to play with them and after the match they had problems with these incorrect players from We CiP *after a lost match to say it unfriendly* Well if you look over the *Facts* FsU. could simply ask to remove the *Non-correct* players (Which they have done once against my own clan and i had to agree someone had an incorrect guid by stupid mistake and i did not bother it cause rules = rules) and give We CiP some extra time to try and re-arrange or get other players or just Default win for FsU (with taking contact of an admin). But no they played and afterwards the problems occured so in general war and lose and try to get a win out of it afterwards is as shameful as trying to get Freelancers in a war and that is why in *THIS matter* Results stay as they where.

As far as i know within our own clan we had to remove one player once and have asked to remove players about 6 times.

So in general it is not the rule that is stupid it are the clans that are in there right and do agree to play with *Not Eligable* players who stupid agree with them.

[Spartan]

If FsU actually checked, and said ok that his ID is wrong fair enough....but they shouldn't have to check....if anything, We Cip ask if it is ok....HOW is it fair to say to any clan who didn't check their OPPONENTS team, that it's their fault....

What would happen if a clan used 4 freelancers, with 1 actual clan member, the other team forgot to check....are you telling me that is then ok? Come on...

Next season i might try, just find a trusting clan, use 4 people not in the clan to play, if they pick us up on it, will get a proper team, but otherwise, just play with 4 freelancers....heck, it's the other teams fault if they don't moan before the war...

[#TcO.Squeezer]

What do you suggest then Spartan? That an admin Monitors evry match and all the guids evry week?

Cause tbh that is the only thing we could do to make it better but i can predict that none admin would find that an very attracting idea tbh.

Not even said anything about the Fysical problems that would occur *you simply cant admin two wars @ the same time*

I mean or it is Copper/Bandit till the bone or we have this rule.

In the end removing this rule wont solve te freelancers problem neither imo?

And try it against dF. Spartan :) you will find out how friendly we will ask to remove your players just after your *Incorrect* players got on the *arranged* match server :)

[Spartan]

As i said, i'll try against an unsuspecting clan, of course none with admins as i'm sure all admins follow these rules to the word..

I have to agree, asking an admin to go into every war is stupid...i think a better idea is using logic, getting the clans CL to check....and if they can get the OK, ss it....if they don't ask and it's wrong...give the clan it's done against the option to replay, default or result stand...it's quite simple...

common sense 
–noun: sound practical judgment that is independent of specialized knowledge, training, or the like; normal native intelligence.

It's a good thing to have...

Well, you may as well lock this topic (after you've gotten the last post of course) as it's kinda not even needed now because the admins made their decision (however bad it is), i shall take this up with the higher power (Billie) because i feel she actually has some of the above...(don't take it personally, i think a lot of people lack it)

Let's just hope now Billie sees the logic of ya know, punishing the clan that actually makes the mistake...imagine that!

Ciao4now :)

[#TcO.Squeezer]

At this point Clan Leaders Deputy Clan Leaders or War Arrangers have 5 minutes to check PB GUIDS. Failure to check BEFORE the war starts, for ANY DISCREPANCIES, means final result will stand. (No exceptions)

If a player is found to have no, or an incorrect PB_GUID entered, that player MUST LEAVE the game. A substitute can be used, if done within 2 minutes. If no substitute can be found, team will play 1 person short.
A Replacement player (outside of 2 minutes) can only join game at end of 1st half of 1st map, or at the beginning of the next, half or map.

i think a better idea is using logic, getting the clans CL to check....and if they can get the OK, ss it....if they don't ask and it's wrong...give the clan it's done against the option to replay, default or result stand...it's quite simple...


Dont want to be an pain in the arse Spartan but ehr aint it in the rules evry word you just said? Then again on a bit more native intelligence way?

Oow and btw:

We want a conclict..
1st they got a player that was not registrated on clandle....so we said something about that.
2 min later he was registrated. We wanna play, so we had said ok let him play.

We have a feeling that something wasn't right with some of there players.



FsU. Checked and agreed with players they had problems with some *Okward* Wallbanging etc. and did not typ the word but *Cheat* was the interpretation of their *Okward* feelings.


So tbh mate like stated in the rules they agreed and played and afterwards they insinuated that We CiP was a cheat *with a bit more friendly words then which i know freely use*

We watched over FOUR demos nothing found glitchy or not correct.

So in the end you claim its common sense to punish clans afterwards?

Well, you may as well lock this topic (after you've gotten the last post of course) as it's kinda not even needed now because the admins made their decision (however bad it is)

I wont lock down anything tbh but as stated in the rules ... and after nothing has been found that looked *NOT NORMAL* we have stated *Results as they where* so dont go whine about *Bad decisions* if the admins work by the book tbh.

Oow and btw:

-Points as they where played
-If an guid is incorrect *Do Not RUP!* and contact an admin for help or ask to *Remove the player with incorrect guid before match takes start!* Once rupped and war started evryone agrees with the players that are on the server!
-Demos checked nothing wrong seen so the something wrong could be a difference in skill to say it unfriendly.
-Warning to We CiP to please make sure youre players have correct guids filled in and are on the correct list!!!
-Warning to FsU to please state problems before match takes a start and not afterwards!


If you would have read it well the clan who *Bypassed* the rules has gotten an warning also to make sure in future their members are in correct status. And what you dont know is the fact i have the list of all matches that We CiP has to play in future and will personally *Check* the next couple matches. Oow great now we have spoiled the suprise :Woops:

Anyway gonna be an pain in the arse also:

1. What is your status in this Conflict? None? Cause i dont see you playing for We CiP or for FsU so go out of this thread!
2. Dont try to insult hard working admins for being stupid or lazy *cause yes that is what you try to say in an sarcastic way*
3. Billie is my boss ok you got a point there. But then again in the end i made an logic decision in this thread which is supported by the way by other admins so what is your point exactly in this entire thread? Besides trying to bang some doors and lit some fireworks?

Rules = rules some are perhaps a bit *Not easy to check out* but in the end if evryone would actual *Read* these rules you could find out most of the common sense out of them!

In the end you did not play for We CiP or FsU. so dont go hench up feelings in an conflict that was solved on reasonable ways and lit up the fireworks again! Thankyou

[England4eva]

Well, you may as well lock this topic (after you've gotten the last post of course)

Don`t judge everyone by mine and your admining practises Spartan ;)

The simple fact of it is that either checking before or after results in the same outcome.

Check before, you can remove the players and play the game... or not if they don`t have enough players.

Check after, you get to replay the game, default win etc.. or just maybe, they use incorrect players again.. and then you can play again or default.

Seriously the outcome is the same, after or before doesn`t bother me. I`ll happily check any.

The only thing checking before allows is clans that off their own back say "play anyway". They then have no grounds to complain after because they agreed to allow the game to play. This is also the case if they don`t bother to check.

Checking after lets clans that lost to get rematches or default wins. Seriously what clan is likely to raise an issue about an incorrect player if they won the match? Infact in the MOHAA days my own clan only ever wanted the IDs checked after the war if we`d lost quite badly or their had been some kind of arguement and we`d lost, I never once myself or got asked once to check the IDs if we`d won a match.

If it is the case that a match should be replayed if IDs are found to be incorrect afterwards then this should apply as a rule if the team making the complaint lost or won... we`ll then see how many teams are happy to play by these standards.

So as you see, although it may take 5-10 minutes to check before hand in the long run it is the quickest method of resolving problems and saves an awful lot of heartache in the long run.

[Spartan]

If FsU actually checked, and said ok that his ID is wrong fair enough...


If you had read my earlier comment....

I don't want to call you stupid/retarded but you said the opposing clan - being FsU in this case - has to check before the war....otherwise they can't claim after (let us leave out for the time being that in this war this wasn't the case so not to confuse you). I then said, the CL of the clan must check HIS clans roster/info, not the opponents....now if you need more help understanding my point you may add me on msn to discuss it further. I may not be doing it clearly enough...

The motion currently:
CL's have to remember to check OTHER clans roster/info
If they forget, tough luck if the others broke rules - if they check and say ok then can't moan.
Play the war.
End war. Something wrong with other team, oh ****...we can't do anything about it now...result stands...the unfair way

What i suggest:
CL's check own clan. If a problem, fix it or ask if it's ok - if OK'd, then fine play, if not sort it. If nothing done...
Play war
End war. If the other clan then finds something was wrong, they choose whether to re-arrange/default/result stands...the fairer way...

Now again, it's not fully clear, i think Billie will understand, hopefully you can to.

I was more complaining about the rules Squeezer than this one decision as my comment which wasn't ready kinda suggested...

It's not a shot at you or any other admin either....regardless of what you think, so don't take it personally....i've been an admin for the league...i know people can be thick as ****....

[#TcO.Squeezer]

What i try to say all these time is tbh:

The rule has been made this way that their cant be cheated with it.

Which clan who is *Incorrect* would not say all players are OK instead of saying yes they are not OK

You have solved that part with the:

End war. If the other clan then finds something was wrong, they choose whether to re-arrange/default/result stands...the fairer way...

And then what? Players left the building etc. etc. CL s who magicly *Forgot* to make their SS etc. etc. i mean if they are not even capable of checking the opposites atm why would they suddenly be able to check their own clan?


In the end i really dont get the fact that the rules would become *Better* with your option for some reasons like their are:

1. Which CL would beleave opposit CL s? And who likes to rematch wars if their side was *Correct* and the final outcome was positive?
2. Check after? During the last round in many matches the people who died leave as fast as they can tbh so in the end only more ways to let *Incorrect guids* get away with it.
3. :

CL's have to remember to check OTHER clans roster/info
If they forget, tough luck if the others broke rules - if they check and say ok then can't moan.

What i suggest:
CL's check own clan. If a problem, fix it or ask if it's ok - if OK'd, then fine play, if not sort it. If nothing done...
Play war

Like you say it yourself and i am gonna Quote it once again:

If they forget, tough luck if the others broke rules - if they check and say ok then can't moan.

Why would they *Suddenly* start checking their own rosters now that not one opposit would check it anymore? If they already forget to check out opposits i would not know what would convince them to check their own Teams.

*Thinking in your box atm*

Or you would have to add the rule that evryone has to make an SS of the /pb_plist at front of the war so that it can be checked afterwards if there are problems.

But that brings me to point 4. Takes as much time as it takes nowadays in the end perhaps even more time cause we would have to let them take SS from /pb_plist also and if you would know how many clans already make our work hard to do because of the Demos that *have to be recorded evry match and map* who are being forgotten in evry map and the trouble and time admins have to invest in finding out *What really happened* without proof that can be found again then you would understand my opinion ass well that rules are good as they are.


Btw thingies you did not know about this match:


Cause in the end the conflict is *This match* and i cant help myself that you try to get some wind in a glass of water that has been solved.

being FsU in this case - has to check before the war....otherwise they can't claim after (let us leave out for the time being that in this war this wasn't the case so not to confuse you)

1. They have checked and agreed! So nop in this war your idea was not the case!
2. FsU could not deliver demos from second map *One player*
3. Some players from We CiP would have used *Non-correct add-ons to win (aka cheat)* Demos watched nothing found.
4. Players where checked and idd. some where not on the list because of the International league aka Team Denmark *has been traced* and some We CiP players who where so stupid *srry to We CiP with what i say know* to just switch clans instead of making another acount for the International league. *Has been checked*
So understandable reason why those players where on the incorrect list on a way.
5. With all do respect to FsU. but they agreed with players before match played and lost and then woke up and tried to use the fact that some players where not on the correct list. I call that *Unsportive behaviour* tbh.

And now again back to you Spartan.

1. What is your sit rep in this matter? Player for We CiP or FsU? Nop
2. Is this an conflict topic or not? Yes
3. Is your statement irrelevant to this matter? Yes
4. Are you going way offtopic in an solved matter? Yes

If you do not agree with some rules ok fine but go make another topic then and dont try to judge in our place over things while knowing only half of all the *Evidence* in these matters!

If you would post another thread i will try to help you out in that thread with your issues *obviously the rules* instead of having to try to let you understand that you are going WAY offtopic in an solved matter!

Oow and between us i know you had an long carrier as admin and i dont take it personally but i read what i read and what you write aint friendly mate :)


if you need more help understanding my point you may add me on msn to discuss it further. I may not be doing it clearly enough...

squeezer@clandle.co.uk = msn
tijgertje1 = xfire

But before you add me i have read your statements and i understand your opinion but you should read mine also before judging people that they dont understand things.

But well lets make it back positive instead of negative?

And stay out of this topic please! Make another post with an new topic about your problems instead of litting the fireworks in solved matters!

Situation Solved!

[Studek]

The motion currently:
CL's have to remember to check OTHER clans roster/info
If they forget, tough luck if the others broke rules - if they check and say ok then can't moan.
Play the war.
End war. Something wrong with other team, oh ****...we can't do anything about it now...result stands...the unfair way


Not unfair... if you agree to match then you should play.
Your responsibility to make sure your happy (with checks) before match starts.


What i suggest:
CL's check own clan. If a problem, fix it or ask if it's ok - if OK'd, then fine play, if not sort it. If nothing done...
Play war
End war. If the other clan then finds something was wrong, they choose whether to re-arrange/default/result stands...the fairer way...


Not fair at all, why should other clan replay ?
They get beat and/or dont like losing so make look for an excuse ?

[sogs]

Now i dont want to cause any upset here.. but..Surely the clan who fields a player not in there ranks is the team in the wrong. (im sure somewhere in the rules it must stipulate that all players must be registered) this being said i think the option to allow a team to play without a registered player should be removed as it contravenes the earlier rule.( it would also stop the after we lost we decided not to have the unregistered player play thingy.)
I dont agree that any timescale should be put on the discovery of the registered player rule, and i dont think any result other than default loss should be bestowed upon the clan breaking said rule, id also maybe go as far as back tracking previous games and docking points if needs be.

What i think people are losing site of here is who is breaking what rule.

I hope this post doesnt sound as childish as other posts in this thread, (and maybe this should be in a seperate post alltoghether owing to the decision on the fsu versus WeCip conflict being resolved), im just trying to clarify what i think of the rule, and hopefully in a consrtuctive manner help in your decision making on this rule in the future.

GL in your deliberations.

[Spartan]

Well in fairness...i've spoken to Billie, and she agrees the rule is stupid...and is going to be looked at and possibly changed...

Sorry for making the post in this thread but it was kinda relevant....

taking an SS at all the guids at the start of war to check after takes 1 second? It's kinda like DMW ss's....useful...

Sogs is right too though, get rid of the option to allow freelancers to play...that would surely make sense....sticking to your actual team :D

[England4eva]

Hi,

There isn`t a rule that says freelancers can play but if a team agrees to that, which is strongly suggested against, then Clandle can not police that for obvious reasons.

It`s kind of like two clans playing different maps but then both saying they played that weeks maps, impossible to police but we`d assume people would stick to the rules.

Like I said i`m not bothered if I have to check before or after, personally I think "before" saves alot of hassle in the long run. "After" brings up a whole host of problems which you don`t get when you check "Before".

If any rule is brought into play though it`ll be interesting to see how many clans go to the trouble to raise the issue of incorrect GUIDs to punish those teams who do break the rule if the result went in their favour and how many are raised by a losing team.

On a final note, Spartan i`d suggest playing for a COD 4 team to test the current rules before making suggestions. This would give your suggestions a little more weight when a decission is made. It is similar to MOHAA but not totally so this may sway your judgement.

[Studek]

Freelancers are NOT allowed to play full stop. If a clan agrees to let the opposing team play the freelancer then thats their choice. But if the outcome is NOT to their liking then they will need to suffer the consequences... i.e match loss.



2.0 Before the Game

Before any wars commences please take a Rcon screenshot of PB GUIDS (/rcon pb_sv_plist & then screenshot ) to offer the opposition, should it be requested.

At this point Clan Leaders Deputy Clan Leaders or War Arrangers have 5 minutes to check PB GUIDS. Failure to check BEFORE the war starts, for ANY DISCREPANCIES, means final result will stand. (No exceptions)

If a player is found to have no, or an incorrect PB_GUID entered, that player MUST LEAVE the game. A substitute can be used, if done within 2 minutes. If no substitute can be found, team will play 1 person short.
A Replacement player (outside of 2 minutes) can only join game at end of 1st half of 1st map, or at the beginning of the next, half or map.

[#TcO.Squeezer]

Really dont get the difference between:

Making an SS and play and check afterwards against Making an SS at front and check before and then play.

It really takes as much time tbh. And if a clan agrees we let the results stand like they are. If they dont agree it is an entire other story.

So in general gonna be hush know.

Your rule is as stupid as you think about the first rule imo.

[Spartan]

Chris, i have played COD4 in clandle...so i know the rules lol..just waiting for next season so we can enter UiC...I'm not moaning about the rules i'm moaning about one rule...

Squeezer...if you were punishing the clans actually breaking the rules...perhaps they would be more inclined to check their roster? Right now, a clan might not check because they don't like being lame or whatever...have rules broken against them, get abused during the war...(can't default a war for abuse of course) then think, they were bad opponents, non stop insults...they then find that their info is incorrect...they have to accept score...

Now, with a better plan, take an SS of all of the GUIDs etc etc...don't check at the start because they don't like laming etc etc....they get used and abused the WHOLE war...so decide if anything is wrong they will ask for default because of the constant stream of insults...the opponent has stuff wrong with the roster....default awarded...

I don't care if the team i'm playing against break 1 rule or input a bit of data wrong...if they are nice...but if they were total nobs during the war and they broke a rule...i'd like to be able to stick two fingers up to them and claim a default...

As i said, Billie has already informed me she is looking to change the rule....i cba discussing it more because i find it hard argueing with Chris because he's sex on legs ;c and i find Squeezer a bit hard to understand sometimes (Not that i can speak Belgian at all :D)

[Studek]

I cant see why Spartan has only decided that the rule is no longer a valid one (which is used across various leagues / ladders...) and has been used here at ccodl / clandle for many a season..




I don't care if the team i'm playing against break 1 rule or input a bit of data wrong...if they are nice...but if they were total nobs during the war and they broke a rule...i'd like to be able to stick two fingers up to them and claim a default...



Gives a nice rep to you and your clan if you see that as a way forward

[Gumpster]

Chris, i have played COD4 in clandle...so i know the rules lol..just waiting for next season so we can enter UiC...I'm not moaning about the rules i'm moaning about one rule...

Squeezer...if you were punishing the clans actually breaking the rules...perhaps they would be more inclined to check their roster? Right now, a clan might not check because they don't like being lame or whatever...have rules broken against them, get abused during the war...(can't default a war for abuse of course) then think, they were bad opponents, non stop insults...they then find that their info is incorrect...they have to accept score...

Now, with a better plan, take an SS of all of the GUIDs etc etc...don't check at the start because they don't like laming etc etc....they get used and abused the WHOLE war...so decide if anything is wrong they will ask for default because of the constant stream of insults...the opponent has stuff wrong with the roster....default awarded...

I don't care if the team i'm playing against break 1 rule or input a bit of data wrong...if they are nice...but if they were total nobs during the war and they broke a rule...i'd like to be able to stick two fingers up to them and claim a default...

As i said, Billie has already informed me she is looking to change the rule....i cba discussing it more because i find it hard argueing with Chris because he's sex on legs ;c and i find Squeezer a bit hard to understand sometimes (Not that i can speak Belgian at all :D)

Enemy Down "General Rules"

2. Unique IDs are required; these ID`s vary from game to game. Please refer to the site help for more information. The IDs should be checked BEFORE the match starts, and you will be given up to 5 minutes for this task (if the match starts at 9.00, the first five until 9.05 will be for checking ID's). If a full team does not show until after the 15 minute waiting period and the match commences before the other players arrive the ID's may be checked after the match. If a clan is playing with players not verified then the opposition should inform them of this before the match starts. The clan should then substitute the offending player(s). Clans may be given up to 15 minutes to change players, after which the match should start. If the clan refuses, they will lose by default.

CLANDLE General Rules:

2.0 Before the Game

Before any wars commences please take a Rcon screenshot of PB GUIDS (/rcon pb_sv_plist & then screenshot ) to offer the opposition, should it be requested.

At this point Clan Leaders Deputy Clan Leaders or War Arrangers have 5 minutes to check PB GUIDS. Failure to check BEFORE the war starts, for ANY DISCREPANCIES, means final result will stand. (No exceptions)

If a player is found to have no, or an incorrect PB_GUID entered, that player MUST LEAVE the game. A substitute can be used, if done within 2 minutes. If no substitute can be found, team will play 1 person short.
A Replacement player (outside of 2 minutes) can only join game at end of 1st half of 1st map, or at the beginning of the next, half or map.

Im now thinking "oh yes the biggest league in the UK uses exactly the same rule", is that stupid?

[Spartan]

I only know two COD leagues as i don't play it a lot....this and CB...if info is put it wrong on CB, it's a default, if they are added before 24 hours, they can't moan unless it's before...but as this was a problem with the GUID the 24 hour rule kinda doesn't matter...i'm not sure about the others...but with MOHAA, rules are the same in all leagues i know...if you break the rules, you can default after the war...it's been a stupid rule since it was created here...hence the numerous complaints that occur after a war and people can't do anything to right a wrong....

Oh and i have to disagree with your opinion, just because a rule is old doesn't make it a good one, nor does it for being used by everyone...

Think my comment shows i'd rather lame a **** than a nice person =) That's all i can read from it though, not going too deep though ;c But it's good to know you would like playing a clan that is full of total nobs who insult you for everything, as long as their info is right..But get annoyed and refuse to play a nice clan because a digit is wrong or a certain amount of time hasn't passed since he joined..

Thank you for your compliment though, i do believe disliking ****s and not minding nice people is a better rep than laming anyone instantly like some of the people here...yourself for example...clearly...

[Gumpster]

I only know two COD leagues as i don't play it a lot....this and CB...if info is put it wrong on CB, it's a default, if they are added before 24 hours, they can't moan unless it's before...but as this was a problem with the GUID the 24 hour rule kinda doesn't matter...i'm not sure about the others...but with MOHAA, rules are the same in all leagues i know...if you break the rules, you can default after the war...it's been a stupid rule since it was created here...hence the numerous complaints that occur after a war and people can't do anything to right a wrong....

Oh and i have to disagree with your opinion, just because a rule is old doesn't make it a good one, nor does it for being used by everyone...

Think my comment shows i'd rather lame a **** than a nice person =) That's all i can read from it though, not going too deep though ;c But it's good to know you would like playing a clan that is full of total nobs who insult you for everything, as long as their info is right..But get annoyed and refuse to play a nice clan because a digit is wrong or a certain amount of time hasn't passed since he joined..

Thank you for your compliment though, i do believe disliking ****s and not minding nice people is a better rep than laming anyone instantly like some of the people here...yourself for example...clearly...

There is a certain problem with that, the clan you like maybe someone elses enemy, you are therefore giving an advantage to someone you like, at the end of the day you and your clan are not above the law and cannot simply judge who is nice and who is not, that is one of the reasons there are admins for such situations to punish clans for not adhering to the rules. Yes there is the time to promote niceness over the people who may not be to your standards, but this isnt about whos nice and whos horrible, this is being about fair and having equality maintained by upholding the law. If they broke the rules then they should recieve a punishment for it, regardless of whether you are nice or horrible, an admin is there to uphold all laws in the game and no-one is above it, even Billie isnt above the law.

[England4eva]

Chris, i have played COD4 in clandle...so i know the rules lol

Hardly for a long enough period of time and hardly as someone in the position to be doing GUID checks, therefore your opinion to me holds little weight because you don`t have the history or experience to judge the rule.

If you can offer up a little more in the way of experience in which this rule has some how hampered yourself or a clan you have played COD 4 for at Clandle then please feel free to post, this way we can gauge from what you say how it is troubling teams.

All questions that get raised are thrown about by the admins and the opinions of the people who have to play against the rules are considered, like in the case of bringing in dead silence. Those who for unknown reasons try to get rules changed serve little purpose as we can`t see their point of view.

[#TcO.Squeezer]

Chris, i have played COD4 in clandle...so i know the rules lol..just waiting for next season so we can enter UiC...I'm not moaning about the rules i'm moaning about one rule...

Squeezer...if you were punishing the clans actually breaking the rules...perhaps they would be more inclined to check their roster? Right now, a clan might not check because they don't like being lame or whatever...have rules broken against them, get abused during the war...(can't default a war for abuse of course) then think, they were bad opponents, non stop insults...they then find that their info is incorrect...they have to accept score...

Now, with a better plan, take an SS of all of the GUIDs etc etc...don't check at the start because they don't like laming etc etc....they get used and abused the WHOLE war...so decide if anything is wrong they will ask for default because of the constant stream of insults...the opponent has stuff wrong with the roster....default awarded...

I don't care if the team i'm playing against break 1 rule or input a bit of data wrong...if they are nice...but if they were total nobs during the war and they broke a rule...i'd like to be able to stick two fingers up to them and claim a default...

As i said, Billie has already informed me she is looking to change the rule....i cba discussing it more because i find it hard argueing with Chris because he's sex on legs ;c and i find Squeezer a bit hard to understand sometimes (Not that i can speak Belgian at all :D)


Ok matey had it with your insinuations and insults TBH.

First of all BOTH PARTIES WHERE WRONG IN THIS MATTER SO CUT THE CRAP!!

Secondly You typ English slang yourself so dont come with this Belgian crap.... Its flemish btw.

Leagues where the rules are almost exactly the same:

CB:

Once the match starts, neither clan can complain that the other clan is using a player with a different nickname or who hasn't been in the clan for 24 hours.

Btw i admin on the CB OC cup and yes there is a lot of huzzle afterwards in that rule but ONCE RUPPED on CoD4 CB you have agreed with evry player.

Clandle:

Players must be on the team roster and have their PB GUID present in the database for the minimum of 24 hours before any game. Failure to comply will result in a default loss. Exception: if opposing team agrees to play a newly registered player, a screenshot detailing this must be provided. Failure to provide information when requested will result in a default loss.



Other words but the same imo. Once agreed and rupped etc. you dont start complaining afterwards!

Enemy down:

Enemy Down "General Rules"

2. Unique IDs are required; these ID`s vary from game to game. Please refer to the site help for more information. The IDs should be checked BEFORE the match starts, and you will be given up to 5 minutes for this task (if the match starts at 9.00, the first five until 9.05 will be for checking ID's). If a full team does not show until after the 15 minute waiting period and the match commences before the other players arrive the ID's may be checked after the match. If a clan is playing with players not verified then the opposition should inform them of this before the match starts. The clan should then substitute the offending player(s). Clans may be given up to 15 minutes to change players, after which the match should start. If the clan refuses, they will lose by default.

ESL

3.9.4 Game accounts
Each player has to have their game account entered on their ESL profile. Steam id CS:S for Counter-Strike
Source, and PB GUID for CoD4.



TWL


-PlayerNames:
There is only one way you may display your name while in game on the server. Please read and understand the conditions of how to display your name.

Examples:

If you are registered as TotalCarnage and a member of Team HiFi then you should show up as |HiFi|TotalCarnage.
If you are registered as |HiFi|TotalCarange and a member of the Team |HiFi| then you should show up as |HiFi|TotalCarange.


The use of completely different names or names with ASCII text is not permitted and will result in the ineligibility of the player for the match. It is understood by TWL that some players have had to add special characters or numbers after their name to register. Please use common sense when determining who players are. The opposing team has the right to refuse any player that does not match their registered player name, regardless if the PBGUID matches the player. The player may resume to play in the match once the player has changed their name to the correct registered name. Should you have a any questions and/or concerns, please contact an Admin.

-Requesting Name Change:
If you would like to request a name change for profile then please follow these steps.


Under the top left hand corner of the site select your name.
Scroll down to "Account Maintenance" tab.
When the menu expands highlight and select "Request Name Change."
Read the instructions and sumbit your request.




Imo. really bad rule but well you win one does supports even a more stupid rule.

Eurodomination

GUID checks
In the ready-up stage, check the GUIDs of the players on the server. This can be done using the "Check Server and GUIDs" link on the fixture page, or by entering /pb_plist in the game console. If a players GUID does not match that on the E-Dom site, it is at this stage it should be questioned. The team at fault has two choices, 1 - substitute said player or 2 - play without him.


Nothing said there from after a match an if a clan complaints on that league *After* a played war the admins decide in 99procent of the cases Rupped = Agreed.


So well Spartan dont want to be a pain in the arse but if you want to continue with the *Clandle has a stupid rule* sit rep, be my guest cause tbh we are the only league who at least put the *If agreed you agree with the players on that server* officialy instead of using that rule Officieus *Go BABBELFISH THAT DUTCH WORD!*


Btw i find it very how to say it in proper english so mister Spartan could understand it well:

NOT DONE that you come in an Conflict without being an admin or any party, dont agree with the judgement *which was correct if you would have taken the proper time to watch demos and read all the facts from that sit rep.* and then because you dont agree with a rule *which is tbh very clear* and with an result of an conflict to go and make fun of the admin who invested his time and just because you dont get your right you have to go to *cry to mummy Billie* to get what you want on a league you dont even play.

Oow well yeah you have the intrest of joining into CoD4 or you did play a match or two well congratz to that fact cause in the end that does really mean you know nothing about Official wars on this game!

In the end there is only one league with a proper system in my point of view and that one is called *Eurodomination*

Evry clan has to add his *Streaming* server to his clan page and all the players have to add their *32 figured streamed pb_id* and when a war gets arranged on the site you have to add the server *with a tool that only allowes Streamed servers to be added* and on the day of war when evryone is on the server the CL s or WA s just have to go to the eurodomination site look over the arranged war, click on the CHECK STREAMING SERVER AND PB_GUIDS button and evrythings checked.


If you really want to do it smart maybe think about ideas like this one instead of the *Stupiest* make SS and check after the war once you have lost you could do some whining and make it a default crap!


Btw mate.


Takes 5 minutes to check opposits pb_guids before match.

Takes 10 minutes to make an SS before match and check afterwards. You know why? I guess not cause you did not play CoD4 long enough to understand that.

Cause if you do it in front you are only busy with those guids and if you do it in before and afterwards. You also have to do some things for the match *Idd. it will be 3 minutes less work before* but after the match you have to go and look and reopen your SS again to check guids after the match so in the end your STUPID IDEA is only taking more work and time then the RULE like it is nowadays.


And for the last time i will have posted it friendly:

now if you need more help understanding my point you may add me on msn to discuss it further. I may not be doing it clearly enough...


Oow and between us i know you had an long carrier as admin and i dont take it personally but i read what i read and what you write aint friendly mate :)
Quote:

if you need more help understanding my point you may add me on msn to discuss it further. I may not be doing it clearly enough...
squeezer@clandle.co.uk = msn
tijgertje1 = xfire

But before you add me i have read your statements and i understand your opinion but you should read mine also before judging people that they dont understand things.

But well lets make it back positive instead of negative?


Second time i posted it tbh.


But well you rather go cry with other people and try to *BULLY* people who really want to make the best of this league and do work hard for it then try and come to a positive solution!

Squeezer out!

@Billie i would love to speak you also about this matter!

[TheProfessional]

Hardly for a long enough period of time and hardly as someone in the position to be doing GUID checks, therefore your opinion to me holds little weight because you don`t have the history or experience to judge the rule.

So you're not allowed to have an opinion about a specific rule (or rules) unless you've actually played the game for a period of time? Give me a break!

Basically if Spartan had been playing CoD4 for say 3 months in this league for a clan, and had offered the very same opinion he has about the rule in question, you'd more likely listen to it? as opposed to telling him his opinion is of little importance?

Some people can play a game for years and not have a clue about rules... not only in terms of how they work, how they benefit the league/ladder, etc, but when it comes to offering advice and opinions that could perhaps improve the way things are done they haven't a clue. On the flip side, some people are actually good at being able to look at a list of rules and offer suggestions on how they can be improved or whatever. Whether they're legitimate points or practical enough is what is there to be discussed, right or wrong. Therefore you shouldn't discount an opinion based on gaming experience.

:D

[Spartan]

E, i played 2 seasons...and with checking GUIDs...it's the same on MOHAA side...checking ID's and names are correct...so i am qualified sir to talk about this matter, of course if admins are now ignoring opinions because they disagree with their own then fair enough.

Squeezer a couple of things, it wasn't at your slang, it was at the fact you put words the wrong way round...it wasn't abuse...i just found it hard to understand some of the stuff you meant...and sorry i forgot it was Flemish, although i don't know any words...except Debiel although not sure what it means :s

Also on CB...if a GUID is in wrong...you can moan about it after the war, been in enough MC's to know...i feel sorry for the clans you've dealt with in the OC if it's that standard...Thank you for showing me all of the other leagues rules, i was not aware of any of them, still not cba to read most, as i'm more interested in clandles. More to follow....

Gumpster, fair point, but at the moment...the rules basically mean, you can freelance etc if no-one checks before hand....sooooo...fair enough make it so that no-one can allow anyone to break rules if they like him...but surely, allowing the clan to conflict it afterwards makes perfect sense to you with your logic..

there are admins for such situations to punish clans for not adhering to the rules

The rules state currently, that if nothing is checked before hand...the admins won't punish rule breakers after...that's what i'm disputing...

Back to Debiel (Squeezer)(Still not sure what it means i'm sure it's 'awesome guy!'), i'll cut it short because i cba to type to people who are so closed minded...it's a public forum, i can post on it as i please as long as it's not offensive which it's not...oh to another point, if you think i'm being a bully....LOL...i'm quite sure i may have said one thing that could be seen mildly offensive by perhaps the most emotional of person...so grow some balls...or i'll have to post some ss's of 'bullying' i had as an admin (it's a bluff i didn't keep them as i didn't cry when i was abused)...hmm what else...i'm quite sure, the last time i took an SS on COD of what we're discussing, it took me about mmm, 10 seconds? To check before the war is a task not always needed...to check after if you played nobs would surely be a better use of my time...

I'll round it up here because i need to go and 'cry to mummy(Billie)' that someone changed the topic name to 'Spartan's Gripe'...because me thinkz that's an abuse of power :O SHOCK HORROR.

Sorry i didn't add you to msn or x-fire, after re-reading your posts i can't...i'm trying to keep idiots down to a minimum ;c

[England4eva]

So you're not allowed to have an opinion about a specific rule (or rules) unless you've actually played the game for a period of time? Give me a break!

I didn`t say you had to have played a game for a certain time. I`d questioned that his playing the game under Clandle rules and being the person in charge of checking GUIDs experience was lacking and with that in mind his opinion holds no weight because he doesn`t really have enough time served in this situation to make comment.

It`s kind of like me suggesting ideas for CSS after only playing public, if I have no idea of how the Clandle war system works and impacts on the teams taking part then I won`t make comment. This is the case in hand with Spartan. He has played the game but has not played it enough under Clandle or had the experience of being in a position to be the one with the responsibility of checking GUIDs to make a comment that holds enough weight.

So thanks for rallying support for your clan mate "The Proffesional" but please read what I write before you come in all singing and dancing.

On a final note this thread is very pointless. Like I said the issue will be discussed amongst admins and the opinions of the players at Clandle will be taken into consideration, even those who 'left the position to have a final say off their own back' will have their views considered.

[#TcO.Squeezer]

Three things left to say to you mate.

1. Respect went from 100 (your mohaa admin days) to zero with only a few posts.
2. Nice try with the debiel (aka Moron/Retard) and using it in a funny sarcastic way :woops:
3. Have no clue who made this topic so dont look to my side.

[Spartan]

In fairness, Stu is the HQ of UiC...he's therefore sposed to check DMW id's before wars...he doesn't because the rules retarded...and he agrees...BUT OF COURSE STU, YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME PLAYING COD4...

Oh and Christoph, i'm quite sure, if i was in the position of CL for a COD4 clan, like yourself, i'd actually not bother checking the opponents GUIDs...because it shouldn't be my job to find out if one of THEIR, yes THEIR, imagine it, I'M CHECKING IF ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS put in his GUID wrong...crazy

[Coelho]

I check members DMW id's before mohaa wars for United Kingdom and for UIC, I also check to make sure players on both sides are using the correct names.

I expect clan leaders to do this regardless of what game.

[Spartan]

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[Studek]

Tbh, who checks? Why should a clan check the OTHER members shizzle....yes, sort your own clans out...but shouldn't have to get the others info to check it over...people want to play a war....end of story...not go in server...get everyone in...ready? No, we want ss of all your GUIDs to make sure they are fine, NO-ONE DOES IT...crappy rule for both MOHAA and COD4..

If you check before match it stops freelancers playing.

If clans do not check then, then they agree to everything being ok.

If clans agree to let illegals play (not recommended) unable to offer solution.

Clans that dont check need to..