Season 5..

[Gurk_dk]

Hello Clandle..

I would like to know if you have anything rule changes planned for season 5..

We cant wait to get startet :)

I have replyed in another thread, asked about the GranadeLauncher if there is a chance that it will be removed. Thoese wars that we have played and none of the teams have used it. It was a much some much better wars. More play and quality fighting.

To all the teams in S5.. Good Luck and have fun

[Mr.Kaizer]

While ur at it - remove dead silence too.

[Billie]

Season 5 is currently being discussed by the admins and should be starting within the next two weeks.

Please keep an eye on the forums for updates and a definite start date

Thank you

[Gurk_dk]

While ur at it - remove dead silence too.

Why remove that?.. I was applyed to the season 4.. and its a well used Perk. For many players.

[Mr.Kaizer]

So is the grenade launcher, which is far more realistic compared to real life combat. When, and I repeat when will you ever be able to run without making any noise?

Dead silence was only inducted las season because Rejekz and another clan got their members to post on the Clandle topic regarding whether or not to insert dead silence to the perks list. This is hardly the way to research the interest of a certain perk among all the clans in Clandle, as the decision was made in quite a short period of time - might even before most clans got themselves to vote or put up a post expressing their view.

[Gurk_dk]

So 1 must use the NoobTube..

but most of the teams we have played against are allmost using the perk "dead silence" thats more users then the NoobTube.. For the wars on Clandle we have played only 1 team using the noobtube the rest of the matches it was not in use and wau the matchs was much more quility matches. instead of the use of noobtube on cod4's small maps.

[Mr.Kaizer]

Yes, the grenadelauncher is forever gay imo, but putting dead silence in there with the rest is just as lame. Tubes are limited to 1 person per team, whilst dead silence is free for everyone. And with everyone running about with dead silence, you remove a critical and fairly big factor of the game: sound.

At least two of my clan members play by their ears, and I'm sure there are a lot of you out there doing the same. Imagine playing by your ears and your ears alone. Then remove that factor of running and jumping sounds, and what do you end up with - NOTHING LIKE REAL LIFE COMBAT.

Dead silence should be removed and hidden in a box underneath Studek's bed lol. Start with the perks that's really the problem before you remove a real life weapon like the M203.

[jam!e]

Imo Dead silence is usless if you have good comms! Plus you can still hear them. Not as loud tho :captain

Good perk tho

[RiGGs]

Im not that bothered as long as there are limitations to claymores, grenade launchers and snipers per team.

[England4eva]

Hi,

Personally I voted against dead silence for my own view but came around to the fact in the long run for the majority.

I don`t personally think it was needed but I don`t see how it effected any games in Season 4 for myself or our clan.

My own view is I like no perks, but regularly I play that (promod, cb perks) - When it comes to one game per week I can pretty much put up with any perks, the fact I see fog and maps I forgot existed when I play Clandle matches also makes a change so its fresh and interesting.

At least two of my clan members play by their ears, and I'm sure there are a lot of you out there doing the same.

I think you`ll find 95%+ of people do this.

Imagine playing by your ears and your ears alone.

Clandle doesn`t discriminate against those who are registered blind.

The whole "NOTHING LIKE REAL LIFE COMBAT" reasoning is never going to sway anyones view as it`s a game and most of it isn`t like real life combat.

[buster]

Dead silence was only inducted las season because Rejekz and another clan got their members to post on the Clandle topic regarding whether or not to insert dead silence to the perks list. This is hardly the way to research the interest of a certain perk among all the clans in Clandle, as the decision was made in quite a short period of time - might even before most clans got themselves to vote or put up a post expressing their view.

(everyone) was asked what they would like , so we took the time to post our views , and every other clan had the same choice , if they didnt bother to look at forums or to post then thats there problem , tbh looking at the forums your a one man spam band kaizer .
dead silence is just a choice for peeps to make them selfs when joining a war , and just because you dont like it or the fact that it makes your game play harder doesnt mean it should be dropped ,
we have quite a few members who dead silence means nothing to them they can still hear players using it . so maybe there just better players than you or they have better headsets ..

and as for swaying a vote in our favor , we have over 40 members that would vote if needed , which wasnt the case only the members that felt strongly enough about this perk voted ,

and in reply to it was rushed through quickly = i first posted about this on the 8/9/2007 = the last post was on the 27/9/2007 thats almost 3 weeks it was on the forums , and if i recall you where with enb at that point , and the only post you made to it was yesterday .. if e4e was able to post at that time and your where in his clan where was your views then ????
or where you not important enough to vote then ??

[squinter]

Imo Dead silence is usless if you have good comms!

Not true, especially when a few are killed and on one of the bigger maps, 2 or 3 players left on each team , team with dead silence can run from one point to another whereas team without it has to crouch and move slowly, that is a big advantage to whoever uses dead silence.

Plus you can still hear them. Not as loud tho

Yes when they are on top of you plunging in the blade.

Imo its one of the few perks that are unrealistic, as said before , the game is about sound and vision.

Im not against using it , its just an opinion.

[Gurk_dk]

the game is about sound and vision.

True.. and Kaizer your mates is not the only ones using there ears.. I do to. Im using the Dead silence perk. And every opponent who use it aswell makes it even harder for me to hear them. But small bushes makes sounds, grass og small jumps.. its all about how good your headset and hearing is. It works fine by me.

But as Squinter sais.. its allso about vision. And i would like to see your mates act on Sound only. i cant be done. But a combo of sound, vision and common sense. You have to predict where to move to shoot or not to get killed.

I do like Clandle for its good choice of perks. And we in Rangers have at great time here because the rules ClanBase and so on uses are not for us.

We are a clan with a middle age of around 30years and are not to the Counter Strike style on Clanbase with roundtime under 2.50 and so on..

but the only thing we think bad about is the Granade launcher because of the small maps in Cod4. and that it can be a hell of a joy killer.
Matches should be fun, not a mood killer.

[Mr.Kaizer]

Why do you play HC lads? Realism? The fact that a bullet in the chest or the head will end you? What's the difference between the realism in promod and the realism in dead silence? it's the same thing: not realistic at all.

Said by buster: and as for swaying a vote in our favor , we have over 40 members that would vote if needed , which wasnt the case only the members that felt strongly enough about this perk voted

how is this any fair to the smaller clans with around 10 members? There's nothing close to democratic about having every clanmember giving their vote, as it should be limited to 1 vote per clan. Have your intervote first, then speak your case as a clan - not as individuals.

and in reply to it was rushed through quickly = i first posted about this on the 8/9/2007 = the last post was on the 27/9/2007 thats almost 3 weeks it was on the forums , and if i recall you where with enb at that point , and the only post you made to it was yesterday .. if e4e was able to post at that time and your where in his clan where was your views then ????
or where you not important enough to vote then

I wasn't an active user in clandle at that moment, and trust me if I had been I would have spoken up. If you look at the members posting on that perticular topic, you would notice that there are 3 clans especially eager to use dead silence: Rejekz, BVA and DVets. Everyone else spoke against it. Multiple clanmembers have posted their interest and the decision was obviously made on how many PLAYERS wanted it, not based on how many CLANS.

we have quite a few members who dead silence means nothing to them they can still hear players using it . so maybe there just better players than you or they have better headsets ..

So what you're saying is that your gaming skills are decided by the amount of money you use on gaming equipment? :cong And why the flunking hell do you need deadsilence? Walk ironsighted and tactical instead of running around like it was freaking public. Keep the public perks out of the list and have wars with a limited amount of what I call "noobish" and quite honestly non-realistic gameplay. Stopping power and bandioler is pretty much the only thing you need in a match, all tho I can understand extreme condition and deep impact.


I plead the admins to put up another vote before S5 is initiated with a limited vote for 1 per clan. If there's still a majoirty wanting to use dead silence, then by all means - go ahead, but give the rest of us a chance to speak our opinion before we enter a new season.

Regards,
Kaizer

[Steve]

I thort I would add my 2 pence to this little debate.

Personally if I had my way there would be no rulesets no restrictions. We'd just join a server lock it down with a pasword and play thye game as it was intended.

dead silence, Gls, C4 all the noob rated perks are there to be used imho.

But who knows if that would work in competetive play.


"dead silence is just a choice for peeps to make them selfs when joining a war , and just because you dont like it or the fact that it makes your game play harder doesnt mean it should be dropped."

Surely that same argument applies to the use of any perk / attachment?
We often use the GL during our matches. Because if you get past the "NOOBTUBE" attitude the granade launcher is and can be used as a very tacticle weapon.

But 99% of CoD4 players can't get past the ransid memorys of being gl'd in convoy spawn or running round a corner on crash to have someone rambo them with a GL shell.
The Same thing goes for Deadsilence.

Either clandle allows a bit of laxity or they strip the rulesets to a bare minimum and make this fun chilled out league no different to Clanbase or enemydown.

[England4eva]

Hi,

A public vote is never going to be fair be it clans voting or public voting. While it is true that any clan could get a certain number of members to swing a vote, all those members would have to be in agreement.. i`m pretty sure not everyone in one clan would agree.

As it shows Kaizer and Steve have different views and are from the same clan, so while everyone argues it out in their own clans it could be 6 want, 5 don`t want, so that clan votes Yes. How is this also fair?

At the end of the day I agree with Steve about the game should be played pretty much how it is bought, if you didn`t like these perks in the first place then you wouldn`t of bought the game.

The who "noobish" this and "noobish" that arguement is flawed, any team can be skilled regardless of perks as long as the same set of perks is available to both teams. Again as steve states, the n00btube can be used tactically.

Personally I hate the n00btube and I curse to high heaven anytime I walk round the corner and hear the stupid "poop" noise of the GL to see me dead in one unaimed swoop. As I said earlier tho any clan can use any perk/weapon tactically and its up to clans and their players to adapt to the rules of any leagues and use what is available to their advantage.

If people find it hard or "noobie" to play against certain perks then I really think its down to each clan and individual to take a step back and look at their play style, learn to adapt and change the way in which you play to counter these perks.

On a final note, if anyone is too "pr0" for most perks then play without them and show your obvious might against a team who are using them :D

[Mr.Kaizer]

So the decision should be based on how many members put up a post on the forums, disregarding every other clan with few members? An interclan vote is ending 6-5 is not more complicated than an president election m8. If you can't understand the point of democracy, you might wanna take a look a how your country and most parts of the world are ran.

I believe in having a vote limited to 1 per clan, as this would give every clan an option to say their opinion.

[England4eva]

Kazier,

I don`t need democracy explained ty Kaizer.

It is indeed how the majority of countries elect their head but it is still flawed. Yes it`s true that 100,000 people can vote one way and 99,999 people vote the other. The result is whatever the 100,000 went for. It is a "fair" system but in the numbers see how its hardly a representation of the 'masses'

The problem is only certain clans members actually check the forums. This then allows a vote to a limited number of clan leaders...based on if they come here... Either system is poor.

The fact is for 3 weeks anyone had the opportunity to come and voice their opinion. While it might of be possible for a clan to swing the vote it is highly unlikely because it is not one of those issues in which a whole clan would agree (as interclan votes would show you)

I didn`t see one post regarding this perk mid season or any match reports suggesting it hindered the result or playability of any match.

As you seem so well up on the workings of democracy, i`m sure you can appreciate once a "president" is elected all those who didn`t bother to vote can not call a re-vote 6 months down the line based on the simple fact of their own short comings in that they did not bother to vote.

If there is more opinions similar to yours then i`m sure a vote would be arranged, a one man band banging louder is unlikely to achieve this.

[Studek]

I plead the admins to put up another vote before S5 is initiated with a limited vote for 1 per clan. If there's still a majoirty wanting to use dead silence, then by all means - go ahead, but give the rest of us a chance to speak our opinion before we enter a new season.

Regards,
Kaizer

Will look at this......

But it will possibly only fall down to CL's vote... (still to be decided)

There are other issues / votes to be added (possibly) .... all to be updated soonest

[Mr.Kaizer]

Will look at this......

But it will possibly only fall down to CL's vote... (still to be decided)

There are other issues / votes to be added (possibly) .... all to be updated soonest

Thank you, Stu.

[Gurk_dk]

Thank you, Stu.

may i say Thank you Kaizer for hijacking my thread.. :S

[Mr.Kaizer]

may i say Thank you Kaizer for hijacking my thread.. :S

Np.

[Studek]

Hello Clandle..

I would like to know if you have anything rule changes planned for season 5..

We cant wait to get startet :)

I have replyed in another thread, asked about the GranadeLauncher if there is a chance that it will be removed. Thoese wars that we have played and none of the teams have used it. It was a much some much better wars. More play and quality fighting.

To all the teams in S5.. Good Luck and have fun

GL can be agreed to be left out on war arranging...... in the rules (if both agree)

[buster]

glad you feel the need to start swearing kaizer ill add the MR when you grow up pal ,,
your not worth replying to , go play cb with your pro clan if u found one yet

[Mr.Kaizer]

glad you feel the need to start swearing kaizer ill add the MR when you grow up pal ,,
your not worth replying to , go play cb with your pro clan if u found one yet

Swearing? You seeing things buster? Your pathetic attempt to mock both my clan and me is just showing how YOU and not me are acting like a kid. Grow up and get some perspective on of to have a debate. Leave your petty comments as they aren't helping you at all.

[buster]

the day you stop joining clans teamspeaks kaizer and the same clans public server under a dirrerent name , slabber in type on the server calling the clan all sorts , then when asked was it you , decide to tell lies about it , said it wasnt you ,
problem is all ips where saved from your name and the alias you used and i knew this even before i asked you ,
so bare face liers i have no time or respect for period .

[Mr.Kaizer]

Oh, so your intelligent answer to all this, is bringing up an old joke I had with Blue about 2 months ago? Wow..you got me m8, you got me good!

LOL. And what has this got to do with anything, other than showing you're so clueless when it comes to having an argument. Sidetracking is just an ignorent and quite childish way to go m8..don't bother responding unless you actually have something usefull or informative to say.

[buster]

lies as always cant trust a liar .. shame on you .

I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.

[England4eva]

Hi,

I`m closing this thread because its gone way off the original mark.

Kaizer if you didn`t act so childish towards members of different clans in Clandle, my own & busters then you may not get such ill feeling towards yourself. Either way this is an issue outside Clandle but i`ll leave you with a Jerrys final thought....

People tend to dislike those who get above their station. Food for thought.