Xray?

[England4eva]

Hi,

Any chance of using this on Clandle in future?

http://www.xraygaming.com/index.php?pageid=xac-about

[Studek]

At present no... This is not 100% safe. (for user data)

There screenshot system is pretty dissapointing, they hook the print screen functions in windows to take screenshots (easily bypassable) and seem to have no concept of alpha blending when plastering their logos on the screenshots.

If thats not enough, when minimized it'll also take screenshots of your desktop and whatever you have open - If that's not enough, all the screenshots are available for public viewing automatically after 15 minutes of automatically uploading.

Example: I forgot to pay something on paypal, i minimize my game at half time in a match.. Log into paypal and Xray takes a screenshot of my full name, address and end of the CC number - 15 minutes later it's on my profile for public viewing (which only admins can remove) god knows how many people have seen my personal information by then.

What i also do not like, is that my process information is also made public - I can understand using it for detection purposes, but it makes no sense to also make the list of applications installed/running on your PC public knowledge.

It actually looks like it's been wrote in Visual Basic - Probably one of the worst languages in the world for security, as the individual libraries can be hacked without the program knowing anything about it.

Taken from a disscussion already on Xray..

It will be noted

[RiGGs]

It actually looks like it's been wrote in Visual Basic - Probably one of the worst languages in the world for security, as the individual libraries can be hacked without the program knowing anything about it.

Its written in VB? rofl :laugh:

I heard somewhere that it runs along side PB but I dont know how that would work as it would cause conflict between the two?

[England4eva]

Hi,

Ah yes, i remember Virus writing that, couldn`t remember who brought it up originally.

I see Clanbase have taken it on for COD2 so thought maybe it had become a bit more advanced since it was first considered by Clandle.

Either way i`d be quite happy to only have the game running for the length of a Clandle match and leave having my swiss bank account details on show until after the match has finished if it caught only 1 person cheating in the long run.

Regardless of what its made in, it can only be as good (bad?!) as PB is which lets people cheat daily.

Was just a thought, thanks for the reply Stu! :D

[Studek]

It was me that brought it up originally :afraid I was looking into it a while back..

[Steve]

TBH Xray is diabolical. It is no where near stable dispite what the devs say.

I have never met a clan thats used it, of which the majority don't encounter problems.

[RiGGs]

Tbh PB + Demo recording is the best we will get.

[kev19]

I have never met a clan thats used it, of which the majority don't encounter problems.

We use it all the time and never have any problems with it. Im sure u know a good few of the teams involved in the ED ladders?

The ED ladder was the 1st ladder that we ever joined. It is mandatory for all players to use X-Ray in official ED matches. i can safely say it is the cleanest league that we play in.
I gladly put up with the odd problem that occurs frm using XAC, in order to ensure a clean a game as possible.

Fair enough the program has bugs but a lot of them have been ironed out lately. It has recently been used in the CB HC open cup also, but a recent major upgrade to x-ray occured the same week as the cup started causing all sorts of problems for any1 running XP. That issue has been resolved now. I have never had a problem with it since the upgrade, it is running much smoother than ever.

It is not the perfect solution to catching and preventing cheaters but it is another help to the cause. Simple things like starting X-Ray up 30 mins before matches is best way to prevent the time delays that people complain about X-Ray for causing.

PB and demos are not enough to catch hackers. You need something extra, X-Ray seems to be the best option out there at the moment to fulfill that role.

Surely a trial run using it in the upcoming cup could be an option:gold

[RiGGs]

Well looking at their website I don't think it does run along side PB although Im positive I heard somewhere that it does :s

Anyway if Clandle want to try it out for lets say a cup then I'm up for it :).

I wonder if they do polls on whether they should ban people or not? :think: :rolleyes:

[kev19]

it does run along side pb.

[England4eva]

I wonder if they do polls on whether they should ban people or not? :think: :rolleyes:

I think its up to leagues to then issue bans themselves isn`t it? Could be wrong but I think thats how I read it.

I`d assume something like bright skins, chams etc would be easy to spot.

Regardless of if its good or bad, if it doesnt effect anyone all that much then surely another anti-cheat measure is a positive, even if it doesnt catch anyone, it might deter some people.

What Kev suggested about a trial in cups sounds good. At least that way it can give people a chance to see if they like/disliked and then we could all make a more informed view.

[Kicks]

Tbh I'm against the idea of them taking screenshots while im ALT Tabbed outta game which I do almost everytime I die, and my pc can't handle 2 set's of software screenshotting me all the bloody time your just making more hassel than is needed, other than BVA does anyone actually hack in clandle? :P

[jam!e]

Tbh I'm against the idea of them taking screenshots while im ALT Tabbed outta game which I do almost everytime I die, and my pc can't handle 2 set's of software screenshotting me all the bloody time your just making more hassel than is needed, other than BVA does anyone actually hack in clandle? :P

Well I'm pretty sure ci5 does ;)

Hes got a point tho..

I don't think I've played against any one who hacks.. :nope:

[kev19]

I don't think I've played against any one who hacks.. :nope:

How do u know for certain?

[RiGGs]

I think its up to leagues to then issue bans themselves isn`t it? Could be wrong but I think thats how I read it.


Sorry m8 that was me being sarcastic about another ac ;)

Tbh I'm against the idea of them taking screenshots while im ALT Tabbed outta game which I do almost everytime I die, and my pc can't handle 2 set's of software screenshotting me all the bloody time your just making more hassel than is needed, other than BVA does anyone actually hack in clandle? :P

Arent you supposed to see through walls in matches? :p


I don't think I've played against any one who hacks.. :nope:

You cant play against yourself Jamie ;)

[jam!e]

How do u know for certain?



Would using X-ray make you certain? Wouldn't for me

Also X-ray won't make it certain their not. I heard from some one its easy to bypass...

No one in clandle hacks. IMO well not that I've played against.

[RiGGs]

Would using X-ray make you certain? Wouldn't for me

Also X-ray won't make it certain their not. I heard from some one its easy to bypass...

No one in clandle hacks. IMO well not that I've played against.

Players that use cheats try to hide it in their game play by not directly looking at walls etc when playing. The clever ones do anyway. To say that no one hacks in clandle is most likely not true. What I will say is that its one of the cleanest leagues to play in.

[jam!e]

Players that use cheats try to hide it in their game play by not directly looking at walls etc when playing. The clever ones do anyway. To say that no one hacks in clandle is most likely not true. What I will say is that its one of the cleanest leagues to play in.

All I said was that Imo no clan Ive played is cheating and we all know I know absolutely nothing.

Is their players cheating at clandle? Most likely how ever would x-ray scare them to stop them cheating or catch some one, we didn't know was cheating probably not.... but I'd love to be corrected.

[kev19]

Would using X-ray make you certain? Wouldn't for me

Also X-ray won't make it certain their not. I heard from some one its easy to bypass...

No one in clandle hacks. IMO well not that I've played against.

I never said it would make me certain, but it definitely does deter a lot of hackers. It is not not 100% effective, but show me an anti-cheat program that is.

It just makes it harder for cheaters to get away with it.

Tbh I'm against the idea of them taking screenshots while im ALT Tabbed outta game which I do almost everytime I die, and my pc can't handle 2 set's of software screenshotting me all the bloody time your just making more hassel than is needed

If you ever take a chance to browse the Xray website you will see that fixes have come out to sort this problem. The issue that you are talking about happened in the early days of X-Ray. It program now recognises when you tab out of game, it has done so for a long time now m8.

[England4eva]

Hi,

I`m sure some people don`t realise that PB SS's sometimes capture ingame xfire conversations and also the odd windows wallpaper (with icons) ? I don`t particularly want random server admins seeing half my xfire converstaions due to PB screenshots... but it can`t be avoided.

[Kicks]

I know PB screenshots Xfire etc but why on earth would I want 2 things screenshotting me? Neither of them are bypass proof and as I said I lag enough with PB screenshotting me, I don't have the greatest pc's in the world and don't need more grief just to play in a league

[RiGGs]

I know PB screenshots Xfire etc but why on earth would I want 2 things screenshotting me? Neither of them are bypass proof and as I said I lag enough with PB screenshotting me, I don't have the greatest pc's in the world and don't need more grief just to play in a league

You wouldnt as it would probably only be X-Ray that is running. PB would probably be turned off.

[kev19]

Xray has no affect on PB! Where did u get ur facts frm m8 lol :doh:

For example any server that is used in ED has to have PB streaming.
And if you look at the CB HC Cup no changes have been made to servers in order to allow X-Ray to be used. They totally independent programs and do not interfere with each other.

[RiGGs]

Xray has no affect on PB! Where did u get ur facts frm m8 lol :doh:

For example any server that is used in ED has to have PB streaming.
And if you look at the CB HC Cup no changes have been made to servers in order to allow X-Ray to be used. They totally independent programs and do not interfere with each other.

This was what I was wondering if you look at my previous posts and I never said they were facts ;). If PB and X-Ray are looking for bad processes then wouldnt they cause false positives?

[kev19]

At the end of the day it comes down to whether you want to increase anti-cheat measures for the league.

X-Ray seems to be the best of what is out there at the monent, it is not 100% effective but no anti-cheat is, but it will catch cheaters and deter potential cheaters.

The only way to make an informed decison is to try it out yourself, i.e. trial it in the cup. I'm sure if you contacted admins of other leagues that use this program you could find out their experiences with it and if it has improved their job or made it more difficult.

[Mr.Kaizer]

Give it a go in the upcoming cup..can't really harm taking extra precautions, can it?

@Kicks: buy yourself a new computer :D

[jam!e]

I never said it would make me certain, but it definitely does deter a lot of hackers. It is not not 100% effective, but show me an anti-cheat program that is.

It just makes it harder for cheaters to get away with it.



Like I said I'd gladly be proven wrong.