CUP Semi Final - Stimulus vs. Ci5

[Gurk_dk]

Week 3 Maps: District - Vacant (8th - 14th)

Go arrange :beer

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Studek wrote.......

Round 2

Stim vs Team eG / Ci5
aQ vs EnB

Clans to pick one map each. Please state when organising match

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[kev19]

maps are grand tbh. What days suit you?

[Gurk_dk]

Studek wrote.......
Clans to pick one map each. Please state when organising match
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Sorry i saw his other post
http://www.clandle.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=17816&postcount=38

But we stick with the lates from Studek.

Clans to pick one map each. Please state when organising match

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Thurs 11th june @ 20:00 kev ? Will post map tonight when i find out which one we want :P

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Broadcast for us plz, our server ?

[kev19]

yh your server is grand. 2 of the lads working so have not spoken to them bout thursday. Should be ok for Thursday. Will confirm when I speak to them.

[kev19]

k thurs 8uk

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map kev ?

[kev19]

yh crash plox

[kev19]

Stimulus win 22-18


http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9210/ci5broad.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ci5broad.jpg)


http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3236/ci5crash2.th.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ci5crash2.jpg)

GG

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Firstly, On the first map Broadcast after the knife for map and sides which we won , stim wanted another knife for map ? We gave into the second knife which we won again, btw one of thier players shot and killed one of us on the second knife then announced that we could chose the map !!!! We won the map broadcast 11-9. Second map Crash we were marines, every one readied up, no mention of a knife ,we never knife on a second map in clandle or any other league for that matter,and there is NO rule stating that you have to knife on the start of the second map !!!! they rushed , we killed them, start of second round while they were rushing one of stim typed up "fast restart" ...... for what ? we were 2 rounds up and we had yet again been asked to knife !!!! Id be happy if one of the clandle admins would look into this thank you .

[Mr.Kaizer]

It doesn't state that you shouldn't knife on 2nd map either m8. Knife for sides is frequently used in all the leagues aQ play in, including Clandle with almost every opponent.

[kev19]

I can happily provide our demos to show that we went to knife for sides on crash.

[Kicks]

You are only meant to knife once for sides and map, which we did on broadcast and won that knife round and we picked attack and go then you decided to claim its a 2nd knife for map, you got beat on both knifes, then on crash you didn't even claim knife until half way through the second round when you asked for a fast restart. So we should have been awarded those rounds as you cannot just decided to tell us to knife half way though, we are only players not mind readers.

[kev19]

As I said already when you see our demos u will see that wewent to knife on 1st round. And on 2nd round we waited for the fast restart.

Well to be honest in any cup matches we have played, we have always knived for sides. The rules are quiet vague if you ask me, they neither state whether you should or should not knife for sides at start of each map.

Kicks m8 your point on winning the 1st 2 rounds is mute, as we were prepared for a knife round. Hence not 1 bullet was fired by us.

[England4eva]

Another case of flawed Clandle rules... had this arguement with Squeezer in the Promod League, so thats over a full season ago. They wanted a 2nd knife and we didnt. We followed CMOHL rules and they followed what they thought was the rules.

Simple fact is there isn`t a rule, it tells you to knife the first map and then doesn`t say anything about the 2nd map, do you race for sides? bash? swap sides?.... well, as there isn`t a rule none are correct.

After a few other poorly worded or poorly thought out rules which caused other incidents Studek posted that they would be sorted for the next season... this is one that needs to go into that "sorting" - Either way this has been an issue for well over 3 or 4 months and this could of all been avoided if everything at Clandle didn`t fall on deaf ears or wasn`t pushed through because it wasn`t brought up be the "right" person so to speak.

Just my two hundred cents for you there. UL Ci5.

[jam!e]

Why did you have second knife on the first map with ci5 but not us when we played?


Not that I'm bothered just interested?:confused:

[kev19]

Is it not knife for map then knife for sides?

[Mr.Kaizer]

UL Ci5.

Sums it up :bor

[jam!e]

Is it not knife for map then knife for sides?

You didn't with us

Not that it would of made a difference :cry1:

Why with ci5?

[England4eva]

Is it not knife for map then knife for sides?

No its "Knife slash for sides at start of the match"

No mention of the 2nd map, so the fact you all did a ready-up in my eyes would show you were happy with the sides on the 2nd map and it was good to go.

Just because you "assumed" a rule and all got into knifing stance doesn`t make it a real rule.

Simple fact is, rules are flawed but Ci5 are more in the right than Stim because Ci5 played on as the rules lead you to believe and Stim followed a rule that they assumed/made up.

[squinter]

It doesn't state that you shouldn't knife on 2nd map either m8. Knife for sides is frequently used in all the leagues aQ play in, including Clandle with almost every opponent.

IT DOES'NT state that you should knife second map unless the other team states it which stim did nt .

[squinter]

Is it not knife for map then knife for sides?

I think you need to read the rules kev

[kev19]

Simple fact is, rules are flawed but Ci5 are more in the right than Stim because Ci5 played on as the rules lead you to believe and Stim followed a rule that they assumed/made up.

How can they be more in the right? The point is there is no definitive wrong and right in this situation if you look at the rules.

IT DOES'NT state that you should knife second map unless the other team states it which stim did nt .

Show me where it says we have to state knife 2nd map? Or is it as E4E said 1st on server gets choice of sides?

[kev19]

I think you need to read the rules kev

Well if I was incorrect in the rules at start, why didnt a member of your team state so? They went along with 2nd knife at start of match

[Mr.Kaizer]

When the rules state that you should knife at the start of the match, it's only logicial that you should knife at the start of the second map too. The rules are flawed indeed, however it's only reasonable to think that you should knife at the start of the second map. What else should then decide sides? First to claim and fill up a side when joining?

[England4eva]

How can they be more in the right? The point is there is no definitive wrong and right in this situation if you look at the rules.



They are more in the right because it states you should knife the first map but doesn`t state you should the 2nd map... you wanted to knife the 2nd map because you assumed it was the rule... it doesn`t say it is so no knife needs to take place.

Anyway was just giving my thoughts, this is nothing to do with me... rules are flawed. la la la.

[squinter]

How can they be more in the right? The point is there is no definitive wrong and right in this situation if you look at the rules.



Show me where it says we have to state knife 2nd map? Or is it as E4E said 1st on server gets choice of sides?

Show me were it states that you HAVE to knife second map, oh btw i watched the demo and one of your team said that you DO have to knife second map, they also said its in the rules, still looking for it ......

[Kicks]

We went along with it to save arguement sake and if YOUR team knew the rules as you THOUGHT you did you wouldn't have lost the 2nd knife by default by shooting us?

Your trying to worm your way out of this one, note how quickly you wanted to ready up on crash as soon as we mentioned speaking to an admin because WE knew the rules WE were in the right and you bloody knew it.

I've caught your clan out once before on our server giving us bull**** and trying to worm your way out of it during a match and to be quite honest I'm not letting this one pass

[kev19]

Just to show we did go for knife

http://www.xfire.com/video/cfc3f

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Well if I was incorrect in the rules at start, why didnt a member of your team state so? They went along with 2nd knife at start of match

Only because you came up with an assumed rule. We kinda dont have time to sit and read rules when we want a match to start.

[Mr.Kaizer]

Only because you came up with an assumed rule. We kinda dont have time to sit and read rules when we want a match to start.


Your trying to worm your way out of this one, note how quickly you wanted to ready up on crash as soon as we mentioned speaking to an admin because WE knew the rules WE were in the right and you bloody knew it.


Contradictory?

[kev19]

Your trying to worm your way out of this one, note how quickly you wanted to ready up on crash as soon as we mentioned speaking to an admin because WE knew the rules WE were in the right and you bloody knew it.

I've caught your clan out once before on our server giving us bull**** and trying to worm your way out of it during a match and to be quite honest I'm not letting this one pass

Well we had no problems waiting for an admin tbh. If you really thought you were in the right you have refused to restart the map and knife. You would have stopped to get admin decision. Why fast restart then if YOU knew the the rules and were in the right? There seems a contradiction there tbh.

On the issue of "catching us out", are you referrring to the time you checked your server logs to see what we were saying in teamsay? The fact that someone would bother to look at server logs of an opponents teamsay in a funwar, is laughable. You aint going to find any team giving you compliments in their teamsay. Its just a game at the end of the day. Have you nothing else to do with ur life m8 than to go and look at server logs? Fair enough if it was an official, but a funwar? Do you do it for every match?

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Contradictory?


Im talking about the first map kaizer which i did nt play in and kicks is talking about the second map , stop flaming the situation plz.

[Kicks]

Well we had no problems waiting for an admin tbh. If you really thought you were in the right you have refused to restart the map and knife. You would have stopped to get admin decision. Why fast restart then if YOU knew the the rules and were in the right? There seems a contradiction there tbh.

You did have a problem waiting as you kept spamming "just ready up" as soon as we stated we were going to speak to an admin, and I was the one who said no to the fast restart but then done a fast restart to halt the game to further enquire about this imaginary rule which you also claimed was there in black and white

[kev19]

You did have a problem waiting as you kept spamming "just ready up" as soon as we stated we were going to speak to an admin, and I was the one who said no to the fast restart but then done a fast restart to halt the game to further enquire about this imaginary rule which you also claimed was there in black and white

Well if we were acting weird as you are implying, when you said you were going to speak to admin, wouldn't any1 with a bit of logic then follow thru and seek an admin?

There is a thing called a time out, you didnt need to fast restart.

[jam!e]

Well if we were acting weird as you are implying, when you said you were going to speak to admin, wouldn't any1 with a bit of logic then follow thru and seek an admin?

There is a thing called a time out, you didnt need to fast restart.

They did speak to an admin? :call2

[squinter]

Well we had no problems waiting for an admin tbh. If you really thought you were in the right you have refused to restart the map and knife. You would have stopped to get admin decision. Why fast restart then if YOU knew the the rules and were in the right? There seems a contradiction there tbh.

On the issue of "catching us out", are you referrring to the time you checked your server logs to see what we were saying in teamsay? The fact that someone would bother to look at server logs of an opponents teamsay in a funwar, is laughable. You aint going to find any team giving you compliments in their teamsay. Its just a game at the end of the day. Have you nothing else to do with ur life m8 than to go and look at server logs? Fair enough if it was an official, but a funwar? Do you do it for every match?

You aint going to find any team giving you compliments in their teamsay. ??? yep but we dont call other clans " this is a **** clan" and " a ****e server", who the F*7K are you lot to call anyone **** ? And what is it to you if someone checks our logs ? Just aswell we did because i thought your clan was decent at one time . As for the problem here i'll let the admins decide.

[kev19]

well the reg IS awful tbh. And the fact that some of lads called you a shi te team is their own opinion. An argument can be made for both sides on that 1.

I like to go on results when forming an opinion on a team. Dont know how the other lads do it. And as I said to you at the time I have or never had any problems with u guys. We all got on grand when playing for Irish team in Nations Cup.

[kev19]

They did speak to an admin? :call2

Well if you listen to Kicks they didnt need to.

WE knew the rules WE were in the right and you bloody knew it.

[Kicks]

well the reg IS awful tbh. And the fact that some of lads called you a shi te team is their own opinion. An argument can be made for both sides on that 1.

I like to go on results when forming an opinion on a team. Dont know how the other lads do it. And as I said to you at the time I have or never had any problems with u guys. We all got on grand when playing for Irish team in Nations Cup.

It's strange that all we ever got was compliments from other clans about our server being good even when we have walked all over the other team, only real problems we have actually had reguarding our server has been from your clan. And when you have been getting beat or even starting to lose you have complained or tried to cause **** like you had done today.

[Kicks]

And as for your post, we were contacting an admin to confirm that we were in the right as you stated we were wrong and we couldn't and didn't read the rules

[kev19]

Yh we love to argue and flame during matches.

Anyway I just won a bet that I could get this to 5 pages before the night was out!

I better not say much more, whatever you dont look at the server logs, it aint nice reading, your feelings might be hurt...again.

[kev19]

And as for your post, we were contacting an admin to confirm that we were in the right as you stated we were wrong and we couldn't and didn't read the rules

I'm sure you did have a look at the rules in that time. You just couldnt find anything in the rules to either back you up or prove us wrong. Thats the point, we looked at the rules also, they are 2 vague. Hence the conflict. And if you had found something to prove you right im sure you would have said so straight away.

What were you saying earlier? Oh yea

WE knew the rules WE were in the right and you bloody knew it.

[Kicks]

We look at the rules then contacted the admin to further back us up, if you say you play the rules like that where you knife on both maps then why didn't you with BVA as Jamie stated? Could it maybe be the fact that you were beating BVA and didn't care so much as you were winning?

Head's jammed up your own arses and expect to win the match and when you don't you moan.

[kev19]

We look at the rules then contacted the admin to further back us up, if you say you play the rules like that where you knife on both maps then why didn't you with BVA as Jamie stated? Could it maybe be the fact that you were beating BVA and didn't care so much as you were winning?

Head's jammed up your own arses and expect to win the match and when you don't you moan.

If I can remember we asked and they said it didnt matter. If I am wrong then please tell me Jamie.


I think you will find that you are the anally retentive one, checking your server logs!

[Kicks]

I'll happily check the server logs at any stage just to back myself up when it comes down to people and clans like yourself who try and worm your way out of things, I'm sure if the tables were turned and WE tried to worm out of a lose you would do the same wouldn't you?

[jam!e]

If I can remember we asked and they said it didnt matter. If I am wrong then please tell me Jamie.



No your not but that was not why I posted in this topic...

silly kicks misunderstood me

All I did was ask a question about the first 10 knifes you did ;p and back up they asked for an admin?

[Kicks]

No your not but that was not why I posted in this topic...

silly kicks misunderstood me

All I did was ask a question about the first 10 knifes you did ;p and back up they asked for an admin?

I apologise then for misunderstanding you then Jamie

[kev19]

I'll happily check the server logs at any stage just to back myself up when it comes down to people and clans like yourself who try and worm your way out of things, I'm sure if the tables were turned and WE tried to worm out of a lose you would do the same wouldn't you?

If it was us we would have sorted it on the server, not continued until each team knew where we stood. Thats the one thing that I keep wondering about, if you knew the rules are you so colorfully said it earlier, why just ready up and play on?

Your insinuations are not helping the situation. Trying to worm our way out? If this was a simple issue it would have been sorted during the match. The fact is you cant argue your point clearly an concisely without making cheap jibes and enticing flame.

[jam!e]

I apologise then for misunderstanding you then Jamie

Lol no problem :D

easy to do tho

[casshern]

lol knife at start is knife at start not halfway thru
wonder how long before it hits 7 pages....
best of luck to those in teh final

[Gurk_dk]

2.4. Match General Settings

Knife slash for sides at start of the match


the rule is a fact. 1 knife round only. at start of the match.


This thread is closing now. and Admins will return when we have talked this over.