CoD2 Season drawing to a close [Archive]

Billie

10-23-2007, 09:21 AM

Just a reminder to you all that Season 8 is now in its final week. All matches need to be played and results entered by Sunday 11th November.

We need to consider whether we want to run another season of CoD2 or will we all be wanting to change to CoD4. Your opinions and input on this would be appreciated as always.

We shall also be recruiting a couple more admins ready for next season if anyone is interested. Details of how to apply will follow shortly

The CoD2 Admin Team

Fuppet

10-23-2007, 10:40 AM

Don't bother running CoD2 anymore.
Change to CoD4.

I am Head Admin (in my house) for CoD4 so I'll be appointing my staff in the near future.

Hope this helps...

p.s. if it helps I could go spamming the forums of loads of lame clans telling them about the new switch. If you think this might ruin my highly regarded reputation within the gaming community, I might pass.

Eggman

10-23-2007, 01:33 PM

Move to CoD 4 please.

I'll await appointment as Fuppet's deputy.

Cheers

Mayhem

10-23-2007, 04:55 PM

Although we will be moving to cod4 i doubt the incredibles will be back here at ccodl/clandle. The community is what made ccodl and the way this site is now setup really doesn't help matters.

Good luck to everyone and you will still find us losing badly on cod.wars matches and paying visits to clan servers. You may even find a drunken Mayhem staggering around an i-series LAN again sometime in the future.

Gumpster

10-23-2007, 06:29 PM

Eggman

10-23-2007, 06:38 PM

May i ask out of curiosity what does that mean?

Maybe he dislikes the evil mohaa players who now frequent these parts :)

Fuppet

10-23-2007, 07:16 PM

Joining clans, leaving clans, match report logins, viewing clans and their members, the whole thing is very difficult to navigate (read..pile of crap)

Hidden

10-23-2007, 08:03 PM

Who knows, when the new games start coming out, some of the old forgotten columnists might return from their slumber!

Nobody in particular ... :o

Gumpster

10-23-2007, 10:22 PM

Joining clans, leaving clans, match report logins, viewing clans and their members, the whole thing is very difficult to navigate (read..pile of crap)

Sometimes Fuppet your comments are not neccessary. I was asking a serious question, because things about the communities in general mean alot to me, i want this community to work, and be stable and have a good time. Yes i agree with the friendly banter, but if things are problematic, why do clans not just say something to the admins, at Uni, recently, we've been told that if we have problems no matter how small or silly they really are we should go to our Personal Tutors, or our module lecture tutors with these problems. If a clan feels like the community isnt what it is they should just throw an admin an email, and we as an admins can discuss about it, and see about ways we can improve the feel of the community. Your reply Fuppet, maybe in pure jest, but sometimes other people dont take it like that. I agree, and Billie agrees that the layout of the site may need changing, and that bits of the site may need improving etc, but we need ideas from the community.

If things do bother you, or if the community doesnt feel the same, you should tell an admin asap. And maybe as admins we can discuss your problem, and find a way to solve it, admins are there to not just uphold the law but oversee the community as a whole.

Fuppet

10-23-2007, 10:38 PM

Sometimes Fuppet your comments are not neccessary. I was asking a serious question, because things about the communities in general mean alot to me, i want this community to work, and be stable and have a good time. Yes i agree with the friendly banter, but if things are problematic, why do clans not just say something to the admins, at Uni, recently, we've been told that if we have problems no matter how small or silly they really are we should go to our Personal Tutors, or our module lecture tutors with these problems. If a clan feels like the community isnt what it is they should just throw an admin an email, and we as an admins can discuss about it, and see about ways we can improve the feel of the community. Your reply Fuppet, maybe in pure jest, but sometimes other people dont take it like that. I agree, and Billie agrees that the layout of the site may need changing, and that bits of the site may need improving etc, but we need ideas from the community.

If things do bother you, or if the community doesnt feel the same, you should tell an admin asap. And maybe as admins we can discuss your problem, and find a way to solve it, admins are there to not just uphold the law but oversee the community as a whole.

I'M NOT JESTING YOUNG MAN. I DON'T NORMALLY HAVE THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT SUCH THINGS, BUT AFTER BEING PROMPTED, i GAVE MY OPINION.

CMoHL was at one time a thriving rival to ClanBase. Now there are very few clans that participate across 3 games.

In my opinion the whole site needs addressing, which if you are short of someone to do "free of charge", organise a whip round and pay someone to do it. You might be pleasantly surprised how much lots of 50p's add up to!!!

Eggman

10-23-2007, 10:49 PM

Gumpster, what are you blabbering on about?

I agree with Fuppet, there are so many things that are wrong with this site, it just makes it not user-friendly and people don't want to bother.

For once Fuppet was not joking :D

Gumpster

10-24-2007, 12:23 AM

The site runs smoothly for me, if i need the forums, i just go to the forums to post.

But Fuppet & Eggman take your suggestions to Billie, build us a site within lets say 3 months, a nice good smooth website we can and you can.

The problem of what you are talking about site wise, is it costs a LOT of money for a site to be developed in the sense of ED's ways and even ED has flaws in its systems (eg forums and league systems, and they have a team of coders sitting around for their webby). You may say that we need a better site, but again, i fail to see any suggestions of dedicated skilled people who can whip up a good design for a reasonable price and who wont run away from the code like a few have in the past.

But because you two and a few others do not appreciate, how much time Billie put into this site all by herself to set up to come up with a reasonable site. Get me a few suggested coders in my email by the end of the week, with a portfolio of their work, and a reasonable price, then yes i can accept all your disgruntlements with the site.

If you can also give me a list Eggman of all the problems, and i will forward to Billie, and see if she can sort a few. You guys have my email etc, throw me an email, and ill pass along your problems with the site :)

Paul >

10-24-2007, 01:12 AM

Bah, i wouldnt get into this much but, a site is a site, it does what its ment to do, nobody cares about 2 peoples opinions, especialy yours fuppet? Don't you do enough spam to like the site. so keep quite. You going "CMoHL used to be a big rival to clanbase, one thing is most of the cb players i know are banned from here for some reason, and would rather not play cmohl matches, and neither would i, because they have little annoying f**kers like you fuppet...Another thing is, we dont want to hear your whine, thanks a bunch, thanks very much sir.

Eggman

10-24-2007, 08:05 AM

But Fuppet & Eggman take your suggestions to Billie, build us a site within lets say 3 months, a nice good smooth website we can and you can.

This makes no sense, however I guess you're suggesting me and Fuppet go and do your work for you?

But because you two and a few others do not appreciate, how much time Billie put into this site all by herself to set up to come up with a reasonable site.

I appreciate that Billie has put a lot of time and effort into the site, I have a great deal of respect for Billie. You however just seem to spend your time writing exceedingly long forum posts about nothing....but hey maybe i'm wrong.

Get me a few suggested coders in my email by the end of the week, with a portfolio of their work, and a reasonable price, then yes i can accept all your disgruntlements with the site.

I am a gamer, not a coder / web designer. I have no clue about this aspect, surely this is the job of the people running the site? My post was merely stating that fact that as a regular user of these sites (these, as in 2 sites badly stuck together) they are flawed.

Your end comment here again makes no sense, perhaps its because it is late in the day, or maybe you are just a little unarticulate? Because I do not possess a long list of coders and cannot get examples of their work to you within a week then the flaws that exist here do not exist? What are you taliking about man?

If you can also give me a list Eggman of all the problems, and i will forward to Billie, and see if she can sort a few. You guys have my email etc, throw me an email, and ill pass along your problems with the site

If you are merely going to pass the email straight to Billie then surely I should just email her direct, I will copy you in though.

Many Thanks

Eggman

10-24-2007, 08:05 AM

Fuppet

10-24-2007, 09:45 AM

Grumpy mate, Eggman summarises my thoughts pretty accurately.

If constructive criticism can't be taken as that, then it's too bad. I was merely backing up what t'other lad had already said.

If I was the owner of games servers, I would speculate a little bit. If I spent a couple of grand having a site set up , I'd expect a fair bit of business to follow suit from the inevitable gamers coming my way. If said gamers then didn't renew their server subs, I'd take a good look as to why and address it.

It really doesn't seem that difficult to me if this was my chosen field of employment. Advertising servers on my msn wouldn't really be classed as advertising.

I have no idea who runs/owns/pays for any of this or indeed how they operate, but there are fundemental flaws in comparison to how it used to be set up.

Don't throw a strop on me, I'm just trying to help!

Mayhem

10-24-2007, 10:23 AM

Gumpster

10-24-2007, 11:26 AM

Ignoring the flamers, you ask why i said what i said gumpster?

The old site was fine although it was desparately in need of a coder to add functionality. The new site is pretty awful which i said when i first saw it months ago when i was part of the ccodl admin team. I know that ccssl desparately needed clandle to stay afloat at the time, but bringing it upon the ccodl community has effectively killed this small but friendly community as its unmanageable having duplicate logins to do stuff for most players.

If i was a website coder then i wouldv'e offered my help but i dont know enough about it to be of any help myself.

Thats fair enough, infact the CSS Players have had the same troubles, but they have pretty much done what ive asked, it is a pain having to have three logins, but im logged in on all three and the site runs so smooth. :)

I would suggest Mayhem if you talk to Billie, and then she could push for someone to create a "global" login so you shouldnt have to login to three different webbys.

Fuppet

10-24-2007, 12:09 PM

Thats fair enough, infact the CSS Players have had the same troubles, but they have pretty much done what ive asked, it is a pain having to have three logins, but im logged in on all three and the site runs so smooth. :)

I would suggest Mayhem if you talk to Billie, and then she could push for someone to create a "global" login so you shouldnt have to login to three different webbys.

Logging in on 3 sites is hardly going to improve things around here, no matter how smooth you think it is.

Billie kinda asked for opinions, Mayhem gave his, does he really need to contact Billie?

I need improvements ready for my CoD4 league!!

Eggman

10-24-2007, 01:49 PM

Logging in on 3 sites is hardly going to improve things around here, no matter how smooth you think it is.

Billie kinda asked for opinions, Mayhem gave his, does he really need to contact Billie?

I need improvements ready for my CoD4 league!!

"Speak to Billie" seems to be this guys answer to everything, maybe Billie could do with a better team to back her up? Fuppet for Admin!!

Jokes aside, logging in 3 times is a joke to be quite honest. Many people here access this site at home, work, uni, school, great grans house etc etc where setting up cookies keep you logged in is not viable.

Gumpster

10-24-2007, 02:08 PM

"Speak to Billie" seems to be this guys answer to everything, maybe Billie could do with a better team to back her up? Fuppet for Admin!!

Jokes aside, logging in 3 times is a joke to be quite honest. Many people here access this site at home, work, uni, school, great grans house etc etc where setting up cookies keep you logged in is not viable.

Thats because Billie designed the website and has the knowledge that i dont possess, so it seems logical to point out who to turn to when having a website issue.

Yes but generally where do you play your games/post your comments usually, at home. You can still check and read the forums at work, and if desperate you should know your login, if not, then not to worry. Yes i think Billie knows and understands that logging in three times is a "joke" as you put it, i love it how you two flame me, and throw stuff at the site, then dont suggest anything to put it right.

Candyman

10-24-2007, 02:52 PM

Gumpster m8

They are not flaming or causing a problem, they have offered criticism that was offered 3 months ago but not one person took any notice.

I do not know one person from the CCoDL Side of the Community-Leagues that wanted to move to this site. The very move to this site prompted my departure as an admin after 4 Years.

We offered help and feedback months & months ago, they were left unheard and we ended up "Here".

The leagues should have been left alone, as they were, not moved to a site that does not function or operate correctly. The site is poor to look at, its slow, the league links are poor and dont operate correctly, the forums are dead as not one person can really be arsed, other than Fuppet :P The Ladder side of the site is completely 100% DEAD and the ladders was one of the reasons for the move, its a joke.

IMO, the move to this site prompted the end of the community-leagues, something that greatly saddened me.

I can not offer any help, nor can I offer anything that will make this site better, ohhh Yes I can, give us back our OLD Site.

Cheers
Candyman

PS Billie knows fine well that this is not a personal attack on here abilities. xx Billie :)

Fuppet

10-24-2007, 05:06 PM

i love it how you two flame me, and throw stuff at the site, then dont suggest anything to put it right.

Young chap, one is certainly not flaming you, rest assured you'll know if it ever happens.

You find the peeps to do it and I'll pay for it.

Gumpster

10-24-2007, 05:27 PM

Young chap, one is certainly not flaming you, rest assured you'll know if it ever happens.

You find the peeps to do it and I'll pay for it.

Whats your budget then?

Fuppet

10-24-2007, 06:29 PM

Haven't got one in mind.

Eggman

10-24-2007, 06:48 PM

i love it how you two flame me, and throw stuff at the site, then dont suggest anything to put it right.

I'm not flaming you at all. Simply stating my feelings and the feelings of many others here too. There was section of the old cmohl forums for Cmohl V2, where you could post ideas and things which needed fixing for the new site. I'm not sure if you ever visited it, but it was full of a lot of good stuff put forward by the whole cmohl community. I look at this site and very little or none of these have been implemented. So please don't say we havent suggested anything.

Also I see a very interesting post from Candyman, who knows a lot more about this place than me and Fuppet, is he flaming you too? Or is it just you cannot take constructive criticism?

Fuppet

10-24-2007, 07:28 PM

Also I see a very interesting post from Candyman, who knows a lot more about this place than me and Fuppet

Speak for yourself!!1

DIMETHYLAMIDOPHENYLDIMETHYLPYRAZOLONE

Billie

10-25-2007, 01:17 AM

Guys lets all take a chill pill and discuss things amicably.

We all know the site is far from perfect but it can succeed with the will from the community for it to do so.

originally posted by: Candyman
The leagues should have been left alone, as they were, not moved to a site that does not function or operate correctly. The site is poor to look at, its slow, the league links are poor and dont operate correctly, the forums are dead as not one person can really be arsed, other than Fuppet :P The Ladder side of the site is completely 100% DEAD and the ladders was one of the reasons for the move, its a joke.

The leagues could not have been left alone as there was the problem of the domains. The domains were not actually owned by Phil or anyone connected to the leagues, a move to a domain that we owned was inevitable at some point.

If links aren't working then please let us know so that they can be fixed

The forums aren't dead from my point of view

The ladder side of things has not actually been started as yet.

We have one fundamental problem and that is the lack of a coder. If anyone in the community is a coder and would like to help then please do contact me.

All this negativity is very unhelpful and what would be far more useful would be if people came up with suggestions of how we can improve things.

Tell us where you are having problems and we can see if something can be worked out to solve the issues.

As for 3 logins I fail to see why anyone is needing 3 at the moment. The ladder side of the site is currently inactive so there is no need to login there.

You need to login to the forum and the league site. Both will remember you if logging in is a problem.

For anyone really struggling with the site then I suggest you bookmark the league site you are involved with and navigate from there to the forums, match reports etc.

There is a section for feedback on the forums for your suggestions and problems. Please use it to let us know where we need to be focusing our attentions with the website.

http://www.clandle.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=38

And finally as a closing point - a website doesn't make or break a league. It's the community that make it what it is :adore

Dragonheart

10-25-2007, 02:05 AM

Very nice post Billie, i cant believe the crap your getting regarding all the hard work you put in, JEALOUSY spring s to mind!!!!!!

Fuppet

10-25-2007, 07:30 AM

Very nice post Billie, i cant believe the crap your getting regarding all the hard work you put in, JEALOUSY spring s to mind!!!!!!

OMG! It isn't crap that Billie is getting (well hopefully she doen't see it as that). The thread started regarding CoD2 continuing or being replaced by CoD4.
I personally feel the dwindling numbers within this community is down to the way it is set up now. I don't think anyone is particularly jealous (certainly not me) just more 'miffed' that the hub of their hobby is on a downward spiral.

By all means sit back, do nothing and hope, but I'd rather try and do something about it.

I don't know how it works with coders but this applies in other fields. Scout around the college environment and see if there are any willing students that want to do something like this site as part of their course?

Bring on CoD4 and let us all live long and prosper!!!

:adore billie

:D

Billie

10-25-2007, 08:21 AM

I don't see your comments as personal at all Fuppz

It is very refreshing to see that you and others are concerned about the league and want to see it improve.

Tell us the major problems and let me see what can be done to improve things :)

Fuppet

10-25-2007, 09:42 AM

By jesus are you gonna be sick of me at the end of this :p

Unfortunately for you all my mrs has joined the site for the arcade. Every time she logs in she gets a white screen with some message or other...click on 'back' and everything is accessible. This feels like the norm with how you have to register etc...

There are quite a few leagues/sites that I attempted to get registered with and they all ended up a pain in the arse for one reason or another, so in the end there ended up zero interest in playing matches there. There isn't only me and it isn't only relative to here!!!

If I get time soon, I'll draw up a simple format on a piece of paper of how it should look on the hompeage and then DragonHeart can get to work on the behind the scenes coding.

Fuppet

10-25-2007, 09:48 AM

1. Put a link in massive letters on the homepage titled :- HOW TO REGISTER AND JOIN A CLAN. Then give idiotproof instructions (I'll test it).

2. Get rid of the crappy scrolling links to dmw/gameserve/red cross from the top and put at the bottom of the page.

Tbc...

Candyman

10-25-2007, 11:13 AM

Hi

The leagues could not have been left alone as there was the problem of the domains. The domains were not actually owned by Phil or anyone connected to the leagues, a move to a domain that we owned was inevitable at some point.

www.cmohl.com & www.ccodl.com are both owned by Marcos (Gaymaster) and do not expire until 14th July 2008 infact Marcos has recently renewed these 2 URL's. my point is that we did not have to move when we did, we could have continued with the Old sites until an appropriate site was constructed.

I appreciate that the ladders are not used yet, but that was the BIG selling to point to come here in the first place. Look at the Title www.clandle.co.uk, stands for Clan Ladder and Leagues. If the Ladders are not active, then turn them off, no need for people to see Dead Ladders. Also as i pointded out when we purchased the Ladder System, that it stinks and is only used by mediocre ladders that are not willing to fund people to create something workable.

As you know Billie i have nothing but the utmost respect for the continued dedication you show the Community-Leagues, but this site does not prompt a community imo. As i said months ago and the other admins agreed, look at the competition and see if this site is attractive enough. Now we all knew fine well you did not have a coder, however you were lumbered with the job and thats Phil's fault.

Go find somewhere where you brilliant admin abilities are required, because this site will not be able to cope with the expansion of new games and will only bring you down with it.

Cheers
Candyman

PS Dragonheart, no jealousy here and if you were man enough you would admit that this site does not come up to scratch compared to the old sites, so stop kissing ass

PPS These are my personal thoughts on how i personally see the site, they are not related to the topic and can be deleted if desired.

Spartan

10-25-2007, 01:06 PM

Go find somewhere where you brilliant admin abilities are required, because this site will not be able to cope with the expansion of new games and will only bring you down with it.

First, hardly "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism."

Secondly, the website, i don't like it as much as the other one, mainly because i just click new posts and forget to go and look at match reports...before you had to be aware of them. One site for each game was also better...

The idea is great...bringing people into one community...a bit of fun with the arcade...great...what Billie lacked was help...how many times she had to ask me if i could find someone to do graphic design i don't know. But luckily we had a couple that did...

Joining a clan, well i haven't needed to because i was already in one so i wont comment on that...although i'm quite sure we have to manually change the clan tag for people on the forums, a bit annoying. Registration is easy though, you hit the button that says register and follow what it says...

Ladders are clearly not up and running yet, why i don't know, nor do i care, i think it would be best if the links were removed, although we have already tested the ladders so they can be up soon perhaps.

The leagues though, what is different apart from you have to click "stay logged in" on two different pages, boo hoo. The only problem is the fact you have to go to a seperate page for it...but not a problem, you say yourself, this community used to be great etc etc....unless Billie has amazing powers, she can't change that, if people thought, ok we'll give her the benefit of the doubt, give some time to try and sort it, while suggesting...it would be fine...if Billie is able to, she would change some of what is being complained about.

We are making an "idiots guide to the website" for those who find it difficult.

But for now, happily give us constructive criticism, in fact, i think we're making an email like a suggestion box for it...but don't constantly moan about this and that on the forums because unless you're a coder, or you can give us a good one...it isn't going to be an amazing site without fault...

Your suggestions were ignored CandyMan? What i do if forum topics are ignored in the admin section is nudge whatever admin i'm trying to get my point across to on MSN until i get a reply..ask Billie, she has about 30 every day :)

Billie i told you Fuppet would be a good replacement for me :D

In case you have forgotten who posted it because it was so long
Spartan

Fuppet

10-25-2007, 01:38 PM

Dunno if it finally got altered but "stay logged in" wasn't that feasible. I had to have 3 logins, main, custom and international and every time i had to log out of one to fill reports in/see the calenders etc I couldn't log back in without generating a new password...I know I'm thick but bloody hell, I'm sure you could make it slightly easier?

Don't forget, not all of us are teenagers with lightening reflexes at spotting how to do things...Testi for example is old and slug like and struggles with the most basic of tasks.

Spartz, .sA have already been in touch with me about replacing you lad.

Fox

10-25-2007, 03:47 PM

Fuppet I'd just like to say on behalf of the whole MoH:AA community:

"You rock."

That is all.

P.s. you too Eggy.

Billie

10-25-2007, 03:58 PM

Fuppz - the 3 logins required on the mohaa side is nothing to do with the new site. I am partly to blame for that as I tried to find ways to offer more things on the league site so we wouldn't need to move to ladders.

I have always told people that the easiest way to cope with that is to have 2 seperate people who deal with the different divisions. That way, you can always stay logged in to your one account. If there isn't someone else in the clan who can take responsibility for doing that then I am sorry as it will be a pain :adore

The problem with passwords is now sorted so that shouldn't trouble you anymore.

I look forward to seeing the new layout Fuppz when you have finished

Candyman - I don't know if you are aware but Marcos moved cmohl.com so we have no access to it anymore. So we were not safe until 2008.

Fuppz can you tell me what error message you wife gets so that I can look into solving it

An idiot's guide to Clandle is being worked on and will be in place shortly :)

Please keep the suggestions coming and hopefully we can work towards a better site that the majority are happy with.

And as for the colour I was thinking of trying a baby pink next - does that sound good?

Billie

10-25-2007, 04:21 PM

Does the frontpage look less cluttered and confusing now?

All links to the ladders have been removed until such time as we are actively using them :adore

Gumpster

10-25-2007, 05:09 PM

I appreciate that the ladders are not used yet, but that was the BIG selling to point to come here in the first place. Look at the Title www.clandle.co.uk, stands for Clan Ladder and Leagues. If the Ladders are not active, then turn them off, no need for people to see Dead Ladders. Also as i pointded out when we purchased the Ladder System, that it stinks and is only used by mediocre ladders that are not willing to fund people to create something workable.

The reason why the CSS Ladders may seem dead, is because ive made no active push on them yet, infact the link on the league webby helped by getting a few more teams put on there. However, we left them open to sign up to, and may push just as soon as our season finishes. But at present, im sorting league problems/concerns out as a prioty.